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真的很犹豫要不要三战gmat。。。

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11#
发表于 2010-8-20 17:23:36 | 只看该作者
首先看看你的时间吧,如果有时间再努力一次也未尝不可。Top10和top20还是很大差别的
12#
发表于 2010-8-20 17:50:07 | 只看该作者
之前看了一个人说的,很有道理,如果你觉得你下次考试,不一定能提40、50分上去,你就不要考了,好好弄essay吧。
13#
发表于 2010-8-21 01:23:56 | 只看该作者
Hey there--we would be happy to offer up some advice for you.  At a score of 720 and given that you are from China, it will be very difficult for you to get accepted into a top ten program.  A top 20 program would be very possible--but top ten will be a stretch.  In this case, the essays will become even more important for you!  In the essays, you will want to find a way to make sure that the schools appreciate your intellectual abilities!  Focus on essays that show you to be very smart, and in that way you would be doing your best to make them see that there is more to you than just a 720 on the GMAT. By the way, there are some GREAT programs that are not in the top-ten.  For example Cornell and Yale are both Ivy League schools, and Ross, Duke, and UCLA all have GREAT reputations as well.  Good luck!

Jon Frank
Founder,
-- by 会员 JonFrank (2010/8/20 9:40:21)


Thanks for your advices~
The conclusion is based on your experience?
-- by 会员 NewLifeK (2010/8/20 10:07:11)



Yes indeed, we work with hundreds of Chinese applicants each year.  And when I attended HBS I also learned a great deal about how the top schools work.  Experience is the best teacher!  J
14#
发表于 2010-8-21 14:25:35 | 只看该作者
我还是觉得三战好,时间就是海绵里的水,要挤总是有的
15#
发表于 2010-8-27 17:10:40 | 只看该作者
我看到chasedream上很多你的帖子,觉得奇怪你到底是中国人还是欧美人?我没有看其他你的帖子,因为实在太多了:)但是你给的这个建议真的是很不正确啊?gmat720已经可以申请任何学校了,为什么还要往上考?申请成功与否是有很多因素组成的,就像有个admission的人说的一样,每一块内容都要出色,而gmat720已经完全符合了他们的要求,而且gmat也只是占申请中的一小部分而已,他们会看更多其它的东西,我觉得你的意见真的很有误导性。我听INSEAD的admissio officer说,gmat达到了一定分数,他们就不管你是考720还是780了,而是看其他方面是否有达标。


Hey there--we would be happy to offer up some advice for you.  At a score of 720 and given that you are from China, it will be very difficult for you to get accepted into a top ten program.  A top 20 program would be very possible--but top ten will be a stretch.  In this case, the essays will become even more important for you!  In the essays, you will want to find a way to make sure that the schools appreciate your intellectual abilities!  Focus on essays that show you to be very smart, and in that way you would be doing your best to make them see that there is more to you than just a 720 on the GMAT. By the way, there are some GREAT programs that are not in the top-ten.  For example Cornell and Yale are both Ivy League schools, and Ross, Duke, and UCLA all have GREAT reputations as well.  Good luck!

Jon Frank
Founder,
-- by 会员 JonFrank (2010/8/20 9:40:21)


16#
发表于 2010-8-27 18:53:28 | 只看该作者
我也覺得很奇怪,但是最初不想說出來,的GWD說中國人申請美國商學院的最佳分數就是730.
而且建議我們不要考得太高。美國TOP10,也就只有H/S的平均分爲725,720也算AVERAGE了。


chasedream上很多你的帖子,觉得奇怪你到底是中国人还是欧美人?我没有看其他你的帖子,因为实在太多了:)但是你给的这个建议真的是很不正确啊?gmat720已经可以申请任何学校了,为什么还要往上考?申请成功与否是有很多因素组成的,就像有个admission的人说的一样,每一块内容都要出色,而gmat720已经完全符合了他们的要求,而且gmat也只是占申请中的一小部分而已,他们会看更多其它的东西,我觉得你的意见真的很有误导性。我听INSEAD的admissio officer说,gmat达到了一定分数,他们就不管你是考720还是780了,而是看其他方面是否有达标。


Hey there--we would be happy to offer up some advice for you.  At a score of 720 and given that you are from China, it will be very difficult for you to get accepted into a top ten program.  A top 20 program would be very possible--but top ten will be a stretch.  In this case, the essays will become even more important for you!  In the essays, you will want to find a way to make sure that the schools appreciate your intellectual abilities!  Focus on essays that show you to be very smart, and in that way you would be doing your best to make them see that there is more to you than just a 720 on the GMAT. By the way, there are some GREAT programs that are not in the top-ten.  For example Cornell and Yale are both Ivy League schools, and Ross, Duke, and UCLA all have GREAT reputations as well.  Good luck!

Jon Frank
Founder,
-- by 会员 JonFrank (2010/8/20 9:40:21)



-- by 会员 rendezvous98 (2010/8/27 17:10:40)

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17#
发表于 2010-8-27 22:23:58 | 只看该作者
也想知道Jon Frank的身份。。。
谢谢

Hey there--we would be happy to offer up some advice for you.  At a score of 720 and given that you are from China, it will be very difficult for you to get accepted into a top ten program.  A top 20 program would be very possible--but top ten will be a stretch.  In this case, the essays will become even more important for you!  In the essays, you will want to find a way to make sure that the schools appreciate your intellectual abilities!  Focus on essays that show you to be very smart, and in that way you would be doing your best to make them see that there is more to you than just a 720 on the GMAT. By the way, there are some GREAT programs that are not in the top-ten.  For example Cornell and Yale are both Ivy League schools, and Ross, Duke, and UCLA all have GREAT reputations as well.  Good luck!

Jon Frank
Founder,
-- by 会员 JonFrank (2010/8/20 9:40:21)



Thanks for your advices~
The conclusion is based on your experience?
-- by 会员 NewLifeK (2010/8/20 10:07:11)




Yes indeed, we work with hundreds of Chinese applicants each year.  And when I attended HBS I also learned a great deal about how the top schools work.  Experience is the best teacher!  J
-- by 会员 JonFrank (2010/8/21 1:23:56)

18#
发表于 2010-8-27 23:24:52 | 只看该作者
我看到chasedream上很多你的帖子,觉得奇怪你到底是中国人还是欧美人?我没有看其他你的帖子,因为实在太多了:)但是你给的这个建议真的是很不正确啊?gmat720已经可以申请任何学校了,为什么还要往上考?申请成功与否是有很多因素组成的,就像有个admission的人说的一样,每一块内容都要出色,而gmat720已经完全符合了他们的要求,而且gmat也只是占申请中的一小部分而已,他们会看更多其它的东西,我觉得你的意见真的很有误导性。我听INSEAD的admissio officer说,gmat达到了一定分数,他们就不管你是考720还是780了,而是看其他方面是否有达标。


Hey there--we would be happy to offer up some advice for you.  At a score of 720 and given that you are from China, it will be very difficult for you to get accepted into a top ten program.  A top 20 program would be very possible--but top ten will be a stretch.  In this case, the essays will become even more important for you!  In the essays, you will want to find a way to make sure that the schools appreciate your intellectual abilities!  Focus on essays that show you to be very smart, and in that way you would be doing your best to make them see that there is more to you than just a 720 on the GMAT. By the way, there are some GREAT programs that are not in the top-ten.  For example Cornell and Yale are both Ivy League schools, and Ross, Duke, and UCLA all have GREAT reputations as well.  Good luck!

Jon Frank
Founder,
-- by 会员 JonFrank (2010/8/20 9:40:21)



-- by 会员 rendezvous98 (2010/8/27 17:10:40)


首先,你找的那个例子就不合适,insead是欧洲的,欧洲基本上大部分学校都不怎么看重gmat,够线了就行,因为申欧洲学校的中国人不会像申US top20的人那么多,那么有竞争力。pool不同。
其次,楼主自己说了gpa不是很好,这已经是一个瘸腿了,在那么多的申请者里,你已经有一项落后了,gmat再低,那你就只能得有相当强的W/E 背景及推荐信和essay写的相当好。可是同是中国人的pool,这些都不会差别多少的,除了少数大牛。你面对两个candidates,背景都差不多,就gmat和gpa不一样,你是要高的还是低的?大多数学校说,gpa不好没关系,gmat弥补回来,这两个属于可以互补的,都不好,那怎么证明你的academic能力呢。
最后,看雷鸟那帖子,说gmat在毕业找工作时,企业也会去看的,这个不一定对top10的学校试用,但别人提到了这点,你愿意作为自己的弱点么。
19#
发表于 2010-8-27 23:26:25 | 只看该作者
补充:想申TOP10的去录取汇总里看那些人的背景吧,我们在这里讨论是没有意义的
20#
发表于 2010-8-28 00:32:32 | 只看该作者
TOO rendezvous98

Hello there!  Thank you so much for your thoughtful email.  I am happy to answer all your questions.   I am from the USA, and my company is based here in sunny Chicago.  We work with so many people from China, a former client recommended that we start to post on ChaseDream as well.  

In terms of the GMAT, it would be my pleasure to help you understand how admissions committees make their decisions.  You are correct that INSEAD in particular is very happy with a 720 on the GMAT—but as you know, their average GMAT score is approximately 680.  Stanford GSB, for example, has a much higher average GMAT score of approximately 730.  So as you can imagine, a 680 would be well below the average at some schools, but above the average at others.

The other thing you need to keep in mind is that for international candidates, sometimes the admissions standards tend to be higher!  Let me help you understand the math.  Kellogg’s class is 600 people.  Of that 600 people, 200 will be international.  Lets assume that of that 200 it will break down 50% male and 50% female, just to keep the math simple.  That means that there are 100 slots, total, for all men from all countries across the world!  Oh no!    If, however, you are a man from the USA, your chances are much better—after all, there are 200 slots for American men.  Now, certain countries have few applicants, like Indonesia, Columbia, Iceland, and the Philippines.  For those applicants, standards may be a bit lower—after all, schools would LOVE to have a qualified student from Iceland in the class—there are very few!  But on the other hand, some countries have many applicants, such as China, Korea, and India.  For those countries, standards may be even HIGHER than for US applicants, since there are so many candidates for so few slots.

We know this so well, because we work with so many clients from all over the world!  I hope this helps you understand the statistics a bit better.  If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me at my E-mail.


TOO MITMSRED
Thanks for the thoughtful note.  We have just addresses this question above—but happy to do it again!    We work with so many applicants from all over the world, I think it will be helpful for everyone to understand how the admissions committees make their decisions.  Remember, schools could never admit publically that different standards exist for applicants from different countries.  But mathematically, that HAS to be the case.  Let me show you why!

Tuck’s class is 250 people.  Of that 250 people, 80 will be international.  Lets assume that of that 80 it will break down 50% male and 50% female, just to keep the math simple.  That means that there are 40 slots, total, for all men from all countries across the world!  That is a very high standard to meet, wouldn’t you say!    If, however, you are a man from the USA, your chances are much better—after all, there are twice as many slots for American men.  Now, certain countries have few applicants, like Indonesia, Columbia, Iceland, and the Philippines.  For those applicants, standards may be a bit lower—after all, schools would LOVE to have a qualified student from Iceland.  There were NO Icelandic students in my HBS class of 2005.  But on the other hand, some countries have many applicants, such as China, Korea, and India.  For those countries, standards may be even HIGHER, since there are so many candidates for so few slots.

I hope this clarifies the issue for you.  If you have any further questions, feel free to email me directly


TOO Alicemama

Hello there!  Happy to answer your question.  My name is Jon Frank, and I graduated from HBS in 2005.  I now run , an elite MBA admissions company—but I am posting on ChaseDream 100% free, for everyone to see!    I love to help people, and former Chinese clients have told us that there are many dishonest companies out there in China especially, taking peoples’ money but not doing a good job.  That is horrible!  So I am here posting (with the help of a generous native Chinese speaker) trying to offer up some helpful, free guidance.  Sometimes, for foreign applicants especially, it is critical to have a Western perspective.  So that is what I am offering.  I hope this answers your questions!

I am simply here to help—offering up the guidance that we have gained over the years for everyone in China to benefit from.  Sometimes, it just feels good to help.  Good luck to everyone!


HOPE THIS ANSWERS ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS ,FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME ANYTIME.


Jon Frank
Founder,
HBS Class of 2005]
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