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wwwweng

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tianwan

以下是引用wwwweng在2004-5-10 0:07:00的发言：

目前的两个问题：

1,谓语动词问题：以前的理解和Snazzy版主一样:,在there be a and b 句型中，谓语的单负不是和a一致吗？---> more exactly, should be aligned with the closer one

目前的疑惑:

见http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=17766

remeo：当2个并列成分用or连接时，谓语动词与后面的一致，类似的有as well as ,either ...or...等本题中的services不就是复数吗？
而and后面的用复数形式的谓语动词，即使他连接2个不可数的成分。

如果你这方面还有不熟悉的，可先记熟一些固定搭配该如何用正确的动词上的“数”来表达。

2，and 和or

  题中ETS解释，ABD错的原因是little 不能修饰services

个人理解：A如果是:little water or few services则应该是对的了

总结一下就是and/or前后如果是可数和不可数名词，修饰词应该分开

比如：我们不能说a few apples and water，应该说a few apples and a little water

所以雪落无声：adj. N1 and/or N2  里的形容词怎样区分是修饰N1 还是修饰N1 and N2呢？就可以解释了。

请赐教

wwwweng

tianwan版主

啥意思，不懂

赐教

JerryGuan

tianwanGG的意思是N1和N2如果一个是可数另一个是不可数，那么其前面的形容词则不能同时修两个N。所以解决了前面的问题。好绕啊~~~

另外，我补充：

Reme ‘2个并列成分用or连接时，谓语动词与后面的一致.’

我认为应该区分：

there is a little water or a few services
there is a little water as well as a few services
there are a little water and a few services

I as well as you am doing somethings right.
You, as well as I, are doing somethings right.
You or I am doing somethings right.

wwwweng

还是有点不明白

JerryGuan  NN我不是理解错了你的意思吧

2个并列成分用or连接时，谓语动词与后面的一致.

那么：1）there is a little water or a few services

         2）I as well as you am doing somethings right.

一致吗？？？？

不解

谢谢，万分感谢

JerryGuan

我问过一个大N，说有这样的表达：

1）there is a little water or a few services

2）I as well as you am doing somethings right.

不知其他NN的意见。

hpp920

我对107题的结论是: 语法书上认为or, there be句型可服从就近修饰原则, 但有时也可服从实义原则, 如这里little water or few services 实际是说那里即没水也没什么服务, 指两样东西, 所以ETS认为应用复数, 这是不是说ETS认为实义原则高于就近修饰原则? 请大家指正.

另外的疑问: drug abuse and alocohol abuse +plural verb

                   drug and alcohol abuse +plural verb (我的语法书上这么认为)

但ETS119的正确答案:

Ｂsignificantly compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, which already cost business

Choice B, the best answer, uses clear and concise phrasing to state that it is the effects of drug and alcohol abuse that already cost business the sum mentioned.

这里很明显ETS视drug and alcohol abuse 为单数，与语法书不同，大家怎么认为呢？

谢谢！

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-8-5 3:37:36编辑过]

小女公子

以下是引用JerryGuan在2004-5-12 13:26:00的发言：

我问过一个大N，说有这样的表达：

1）there is a little water or a few services

2）I as well as you am doing somethings right.

不知其他NN的意见。

我已经被这道题搅晕了。想确定一下

there be是服从就近原则的。there is little water and a few services. right??

or, either...or，谓语是服从就近原则的。

little water or few services exist

再多嘴一句，few前面要不要加“a”？E作为正确选项是没有加的。

as well as 是服从就远原则的。否则不会有上面的 i as well as you "am"....

另外还有一个问题，我记得在否定句中，and通通要改成or，高中讲过，80%把握。

i don't have pens or pencils.  用and是错误的。那么在这里， few 和little都作为否定词出现，ets为什么还喜欢and？？？？？？？？？？？？？？

请赐教谢谢……

[此贴子已经被作者于2005-4-13 21:06:31编辑过]

薰衣紫草

1. there be并非就近修饰.  little water and a few services中间如果用了and就要用复数谓语动词. or/either...or.../neither...nor...这些才是就近修饰.

2. 原句的意思是要表达few, little(有否定意义的词), 不要轻易改变原文的意思, 即改成a few或者a little, 这样就变成肯定了.

3. 只有否定句才用or, 而不是and. 只有含有否定词, 即no, not 才是否定句. 注意, 不是"有否定意义的词". 虽然这句句子里有few, little, 也不是否定句, 所以用and.

closedeyes

同意lavender的解释，补充说明一下小女公子对as well as的总结，并不是就远原则，而是强调谁的问题

A as well as B强调的是A，其后动词应与A一致（虽然你按照就远原则来记忆形式上也对）
与此相反的是，not only A but also B，强调的是B，其后动词应与B一致