[原创] 对 HR master 几个学校的现状认识

feynman烨

looking forward to kevin's treasurable opinions.

Although I got a BA in hr, I am looking forward to a MA in labor relations and a career in consulting in China.

As I heard, labor relations is of great need in China.  

emma2000

以下是引用feynman烨在2008-2-20 15:52:00的发言：

labor relations is not limited in 'union chairman'.

actually, china has no real union.

Obviously yes, American union is more like a independent political force seperated from the Board, while China's union is an affiliated department. Most of the cases, especially in SOEs, the director of union is chairwoman who is related to the chief and in charge of distributing movie coupons, etc.  

BTW, I didn't mean labor relations is limited to "union".

feynman烨

以下是引用emma2000在2008-2-20 18:03:00的发言：

Obviously yes, American union is more like a independent political force seperated from the Board, while China's union is an affiliated department. Most of the cases, especially in SOEs, the director of union is chairwoman who is related to the chief and in charge of distributing movie coupons, etc.  

BTW, I didn't mean labor relations is limited to "union".

it is not exactly the case.

as far as I know,the chairman in state-owned enterprises is more likely to be a senior manager in charge of  human resources, as a representative of the capital but the workers. When there is a conflict, the chairman of the union will speak for the firm, not the workers. The union and the leaders of the union are parts of executives of the enterprise, not the major of employees.

by the way, your first sentence seems that you believe labor relations are of no use in china,right? If I misunderstood your meaning, just ignore the following. Just take for an example,the new labor contract act make many little enterprises confused and worried. Specialists who specialize in labor relations and labor laws could help a lot. My schoolmates and I myself did many tasks like this, to perfect and reset the administrative acts in enterprises...

leepee

以下是引用feynman烨在2008-2-20 19:33:00的发言：

it is not exactly the case.

as far as I know,the chairman in state-owned enterprises is more likely to be a senior manager in charge of  human resources, as a representative of the capital but the workers. When there is a conflict, the chairman of the union will speak for the firm, not the workers. The union and the leaders of the union are parts of executives of the enterprise, not the major of employees.

by the way, your first sentence seems that you believe labor relations are of no use in china,right? If I misunderstood your meaning, just ignore the following. Just take for an example,the new labor contract act make many little enterprises confused and worried. Specialists who specialize in labor relations and labor laws could help a lot. My schoolmates and I myself did many tasks like this, to perfect and reset the administrative acts in enterprises...

Definitely, I agree with you. Maybe, the labor union in China can not make effect as well as in western countries, but with the establishment of free economic market, the labor will have more choices and power. So the confict between the employee and the employer will grow. I beleive how to improve the relationship beteween the employee and the employer will become a hot topic in the future Chinese firms.

zhang_tianyu

以下是引用leepee在2008-2-20 20:53:00的发言：

Definitely, I agree with you. Maybe, the labor union in China can not make effect as well as in western countries, but with the establishment of free economic market, the labor will have more choices and power. So the confict between the employee and the employer will grow. I beleive how to improve the relationship beteween the employee and the employer will become a hot topic in the future Chinese firms.

工会在国内的作用又主要两类：促进企业发展。维护员工利益。第一种是主要国企的提法。根据工会法，只要企业有一定人数要求成立工会，企业必须支持不得阻挠。这也是沃尔玛在中国成立工会的bottom line能够维护。但确实也有工会组织罢工的，我们公司兼并的另一家公司的一家工厂，当得知被兼并后，集体罢工，把工厂大门锁住，原料进不来，产品出不去。对方过去罢工过几次，迫使企业和员工签订集体合同。工会有权和企业协商签订集体劳动合同。

zlq56

谢谢lz分享。。。长知识了

audreychenjj

I believe that union as well as LR has a long long way to go in China.

feynman烨

以下是引用audreychenjj在2008-2-20 22:26:00的发言：
I believe that union as well as LR has a long long way to go in China.

yeah, the union and collective bargaining have a very long way to go. They have already started to go,but are still unformed and developing.

The strike and negotiation in PwC China is a symbol. 

Shenzhen council is going to declare collective act this year. Looking forward to it. 

arnoldg

以下是引用feynman烨在2008-2-20 19:33:00的发言：

it is not exactly the case.

as far as I know,the chairman in state-owned enterprises is more likely to be a senior manager in charge of  human resources, as a representative of the capital but the workers. When there is a conflict, the chairman of the union will speak for the firm, not the workers. The union and the leaders of the union are parts of executives of the enterprise, not the major of employees.

by the way, your first sentence seems that you believe labor relations are of no use in china,right? If I misunderstood your meaning, just ignore the following. Just take for an example,the new labor contract act make many little enterprises confused and worried. Specialists who specialize in labor relations and labor laws could help a lot. My schoolmates and I myself did many tasks like this, to perfect and reset the administrative acts in enterprises...

Pretty good understanding. It is a good topic to share some ideas about trade unions in China. It is going on track now and will be a hot topic in the near future. John Budd said Chinese trade union is just like a transmission belt, which is pretty precise. If any of you guys come to UMN, bring this topic and your idea to Budd. You will have a nice talk with him.

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feynman烨

以下是引用arnoldg在2008-2-21 16:21:00的发言：

Pretty good understanding. It is a good topic to share some ideas about trade unions in China. It is going on track now and will be a hot topic in the near future. John Budd said Chinese trade union is just like a transmission belt, which is pretty precise. If any of you guys come to UMN, bring this topic and your idea to Budd. You will have a nice talk with him.

I hope to enroll in UMN~