携隐小教室第四期－答疑（首页更新回贴汇总-4/13/08）

shirley8707

Xyjj，自从我按照您说得按照lawer和og的思路在研究og逻辑题，觉得自己的思路变慢了很多：比如
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

16. In an attempt to promote the widespread use of paper rather than plastic，and thus reduce non-biodegradable waste，the council of a small town plans to ban the sale of disposable plastic goods for which substitutes made of paper exist．The council argues that since most paper is entirely biodegradable，paper goods are environmentally preferable．

Which of the following，if true，indicates that the plan to ban the sale of disposable plastic goods is suited to the town council's environmental goals?

(A)  Although biodegradable plastic goods are now available，members of the town council believe biodegradable paper goods to be safer for the environment．

(B)  The paper factory at which most of the townspeople are employed plans to increase production of biodegradable paper goods．

(C)  After other towns enacted similar bans on the sale of plastic goods，the environmental benefits were not discernible for several years．

(D)  Since most townspeople prefer plastic goods to paper goods in many instances，they are likely to purchase them in neighboring towns where plastic goods are available for sale.

(E)  Products other than those derived from wood pulp are often used in the manufacture of paper goods that are entirely biodegradable．
我以前的思路：只要说明方案无效，所以我轻松的选择了d

现在按照lawyer大人的思路：找结论：since most paper is entirely biodegradable，paper goods are environmentally preferable．
前提：In an attempt to promote the widespread use of paper rather than plastic，and thus reduce non-biodegradable waste，the council of a small town plans to ban the sale of disposable plastic goods for which substitutes made of paper exist

因为是因果型结论A。是其他原因或可能导致该结果。B。割断因果：或有因无果或有果无因。C。因果颠倒了。D显示因果关系的资料不准确。

那此题的答案d。这又是符合哪一种思路呢？

还有：我道觉得这道题的结论是In an attempt to promote the widespread use of paper rather than plastic，and thus reduce non-biodegradable waste，the council of a small town plans to ban the sale of disposable plastic goods for which substitutes made of paper exist，

前提是since most paper is entirely biodegradable，paper goods are environmentally preferable．

请姐姐指教。现在好糊涂呀！

 

shirley8707

Xyjj，自从我按照您说得按照lawer和og的思路在研究og逻辑题，觉得自己的思路变慢了很多：比如
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

16. In an attempt to promote the widespread use of paper rather than plastic，and thus reduce non-biodegradable waste，the council of a small town plans to ban the sale of disposable plastic goods for which substitutes made of paper exist．The council argues that since most paper is entirely biodegradable，paper goods are environmentally preferable．

Which of the following，if true，indicates that the plan to ban the sale of disposable plastic goods is suited to the town council's environmental goals?

(A)  Although biodegradable plastic goods are now available，members of the town council believe biodegradable paper goods to be safer for the environment．

(B)  The paper factory at which most of the townspeople are employed plans to increase production of biodegradable paper goods．

(C)  After other towns enacted similar bans on the sale of plastic goods，the environmental benefits were not discernible for several years．

(D)  Since most townspeople prefer plastic goods to paper goods in many instances，they are likely to purchase them in neighboring towns where plastic goods are available for sale.

(E)  Products other than those derived from wood pulp are often used in the manufacture of paper goods that are entirely biodegradable．
我以前的思路：只要说明方案无效，所以我轻松的选择了d

现在按照lawyer大人的思路：找结论：since most paper is entirely biodegradable，paper goods are environmentally preferable．
前提：In an attempt to promote the widespread use of paper rather than plastic，and thus reduce non-biodegradable waste，the council of a small town plans to ban the sale of disposable plastic goods for which substitutes made of paper exist

因为是因果型结论A。是其他原因或可能导致该结果。B。割断因果：或有因无果或有果无因。C。因果颠倒了。D显示因果关系的资料不准确。

那此题的答案d。这又是符合哪一种思路呢？

还有：我道觉得这道题的结论是In an attempt to promote the widespread use of paper rather than plastic，and thus reduce non-biodegradable waste，the council of a small town plans to ban the sale of disposable plastic goods for which substitutes made of paper exist，

前提是since most paper is entirely biodegradable，paper goods are environmentally preferable．

请姐姐指教。现在好糊涂呀！

 

shirley8707

对不起，xyjj,我不知道怎么一下就发了两个，怎么删也删不到

tututu

The said PACE is pretty something I hardly found when I met a long article or some crucial words I didn't know. How I wish to get through it!

携隐

以下是引用shirley8707在2008-3-30 13:48:00的发言：

A researcher discovered that people who have low levels of immune-system activity tend to score much lower on tests of mental health than do people with normal or high immune-system activity. The researcher concluded from this experiment that the immune system protects against mental illness as well as against physical disease.The researcher’s conclusion depends on which of the following assumptions?
C. People with high immune-system activity cannot develop mental illness.
D. Mental illness does not cause people’s immune-system activity to decrease.

我知道答案是
   D，也理解为什么，但昨天把C取非，我就疑惑了People with high immune-system activity can develop mental illness.

一位斑竹解释说看回原文和选项C：先不看它们具体是什么作用的，先提取其中的因果关键词：Mental illness和immune system。原文结论中immune system是因，mental illness是果；选项C改为：mental illness是因，immune system是果（其中用not连接，即不是mental illness导致的immune system）先不看它们具体是什么作用的，先提取其中的因果关键词：Mental illness和immune system。原文结论中immune system是因，mental illness是果；选项C改为：mental illness是因，immune system是果（其中用not连接，即不是mental illness导致的immune system）
可是我看不出 mental illness是因，immune system是果,C的选项的确很TRICKY,我觉得 这里指跟程度 无关,请赐教，万分感谢！

xyjj，我知道知道　这道题应该去逻辑区问，但想就此想你请教　姐姐曾经所说的　把逻辑抽象出来一句话，是怎样达到的呢？

姐姐当初做　大全语法的文档　能发上来吗？逻辑姐姐的归纳整理的真是　太棒了，有没有其他类型的整理呢？严重感谢

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Shirley，题目俺亲爱滴yaoyao已经回答了。你提到的我说过“把逻辑抽象出来一句话”，就是做题的时候就在脑子里形成一个清晰的逻辑关系的意思。只要把逻辑关系弄明白，任何逻辑题不都可以用一句话概括吗？（某些比较长的题目只是增加了背景知识而已）。

“取非”这个方法，是XDF的应试性的误导之一。我记得Lawyer说的解题方法中，只有几类可以用取非来检验，不是所有题目都用取非检验的。而且我记得取非是用来检验正确答案的，不是叫你对每个答案都取非。错误选项连逻辑都不对，取非有什么意义呢。取非是用在，你选择了你觉得正确的答案，为进一步保证正确性，用来检验，或当你在两个答案之间难以抉择的时候，用来选择的。本题就应该是对D取非，发现一旦取非，结论就不成立了，所以D是正确的，是结论所需要的assumption。C取非不取非跟结论没有关系，你既然一开始就没有选C，就没有必要对C取非。

逻辑题目的讨论虽然也不少，但是很少有人能思路非常清晰的把每个题目都搞的很透（我的意思是，没有人在贴里把每个题目说的很透），除了lawyer。lawyer不是以一个应试者探讨的角度，而是完全掌握了解题方法，以指导的角度来解答每个题目，思路紧贴OG。mindfree的绝大多数回答也是对的，只是全是英文，可能增加理解的难度。我看过几乎所有他们的发贴，他们两个除了在两个题目上的意见相左，其他都是一模一样的，而在那两个题目上，我全部赞同lawyer的观点。－－说这段话的意思，是参考讨论贴的时候，不应该以任何人的话为绝对参考。lawyer和mindfree的贴，可参考性比较高，他们思路真的是非常consistent和清晰，但是即使牛如lawyer，他也不是没有犯错的时候（他曾经答错过一个题目，后来根据大家的讨论，他在回帖中又更正了的）。所以说，不是说“斑竹”就一定正确。你参考别人的讨论的时候，也需要融入自己的思考过程。实在没有头绪，可以查找lawyer的回答，他应该对每个题目都有回帖的。

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以下是引用shirley8707在2008-3-31 12:53:00的发言：

对不起，xyjj,我不知道怎么一下就发了两个，怎么删也删不到

不要紧。你能给我一下这个题目lawyer回答的link吗？你用的是OG11的题号吧？我都查不到。

请大家以后如果发问有带题目的话，说明一下是OG10的第几题，否则我查不到讨论贴。谢谢！

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以下是引用tututu在2008-3-31 21:01:00的发言：

The said PACE is pretty something I hardly found when I met a long article or some crucial words I didn't know. How I wish to get through it!

阅读的pace的确比较难把握。我觉得建立一些你必须遵守的习惯，强迫自己去遵守，对pace的养成会更有效些，比如绝不回读，尽量不回原文定位，尽量在第一次读的时候就把逻辑关系找顺重要的东西记一下（即使回去定位也能迅速找到），等等，练多了读的就顺了，读的顺了之后，即使在读文章上花的时间稍微多了一点，解题的时候就把时间都节省回来了。

读文章的pace，比解题的pace更重要。你练习的时候每次都计时，看看是不是有一个稳定的阅读速度。如果觉得过快，导致后面解题要花很多时间回头找内容，就放慢速度；如果觉得过慢，导致读的时候看了前面忘了后面，太focus在细节，就加快阅读节奏，并且按照我做的咖啡因案例，对每篇文章进行段落大意和文章大意总结，从骨架着手。这样反复练习，直到你有很顺很稳定的阅读感觉，就是你的pace了。

monprince

    XYJJ~~~~，我19页的问题~~~~~~~~

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-4-1 22:17:44编辑过]

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以下是引用monprince在2008-3-30 18:50:00的发言：

很高兴能帮得上忙，还有些问题要问携隐姐姐。

       跟vivi同学的背景情况差不多，我目前的对于职业选择以及选校方面的信息还处于空白阶段，已报了6月的G和9，21的T，看了XYJJ之前的贴子和太傻十日谈，目前对于申请只有些微弱的概念。请教XYJJ，现在是否应该在备考G之余着手关注职业选择（我本科学的财政，想申金融方向）和选校的信息，如果需要，怎样去获取这些信息呢？（目前不清楚怎么样才能联系insiders）

       看了XYJJ的一些贴子，对于G复习的大体思路已有了初步的了解，我6，10 考G，我目前所有OG一遍+LZM（看了JJ的贴子后很后悔看了这本书而没看白勇）+杨继中的的2/3文章，请问该什么时候着手GWD呢？

       另外，由于是在校，平时的实习只局限于税务机关，而论文也只发了财政方向的，请问目前我该从哪些方向去提升专业背景呢？

       由于作出国这个决定比较晚，现在处于迷茫期，问题比较多，还请XYJJ见谅。

不好意思，又看漏了。我最近有点早老性痴呆的症状。。。

要做职业选择，首先要问自己喜欢做什么。本科的专业当然要考虑，但是更重要的还是个人兴趣。中国的教育制度导致很多人在选择大学专业的时候，根本不以个人兴趣为根据，或者对这些专业就完全都不了解，无从选起，而毕业的时候，又被专业所限。其实现在很多公司招人，除非是工科等需要专业对口的，其他对专业要求也没有那么严格，沾一点边就可以了，不沾边也不是不可能的。

如果你觉得自己的确是对金融感兴趣，那么最好找一些在这个领域的朋友，长辈，问一问他们每天工作的基本内容，问一问每个不同职业的发展线路，行业内主要player，公司文化，等等。如果能联系到你们专业以前的校友（有些大学是定期更新校友信息的），可以跟他们联系一下，问问他们都在做什么，为什么选择这份职业，他们的建议，等等。现在国内论坛这么发达，也可以到论坛上去问，比如天涯这种大的社区。很多东西现在其实也可以google了。还有一个途径就是Vault Guide，如果能找到商学院的朋友愿意跟你共享的，这是很好的参考材料－－不过这些书都是针对美国的就业情况。

关于学校，先要一下学校的brochure，再好好研究一下学校的website。大部分好学校website都做的很详细，你可以找到就业数据来比较。很多学校也提供校友联络的功能，在网站上能找的到，如果找不到，也可以写信给admin office，说希望能了解这个学校，希望学校能安排一个在校学生或校友，你可以email或电话咨询相关事宜。一般学校都会愿意的。

专业背景没必要现在提升。中国的情况就是在校期间信息太少，没法做出判断。等你找好了工作，自然就知道你的那个岗位需要什么样的专业知识，到时候再对症下药也不迟。其实，等你工作了，你就会明白，专业背景永远不是最重要的，尤其是对junior level来说。个人修养，能力，和正确的态度对年轻人来说才是最重要的。

shirley8707

以下是引用携隐在2008-4-1 10:52:00的发言：

谢谢JJ,我刚才那个16是OG10的112题,姐姐,你说LAWYER大人对每个OG10的题目有回答,可是我找了很多讨论的贴,好象没有几个LAWER回答过?