非牛人offer犹豫，大家给点意见巴，谢谢

Taken

Chinese culture had been established for almost 2000 years before revolutions broke it up. What culture and value can be estalished can be established in less than 60 years? What can you expect even at least 5 campaigns and revlotions were launched in this period?

Girls (especially those were borned in Zhi Xia Shi) consider them princess and wait for prince charming; boys think they can sleep with any girl only if they have enough money. less than 1% of these boys/girls have decent family with 100+ years honorable history. What can you expect?

男人不坏，女人不爱 does not mean women only like/love bad guys, but rather women are attracted by sophisticated men, or men with history or story.

phaedra

women are attracted by sophisticated men, or men with history or story.
Ah, I have to say I am a strange girl. I donot like that kind of boys. And All my girl friends no.

Humm.I am not borned in big city. Just very little county. But since I left home in 17, I have been in big city. So I think I know something about the two.

Princess? maybe many girls think so if they are borned after 1985. But me, I admit that is my dream. My husband make me a princess. But it is just a dream. We all know the home need all our work.

Chinese culture had been established too long. But now, people do not maintain the culture.

In the past, the men are responsible for their home. Women too. Now, too many 第三者.

If we can maintain the culture, the environment will be better than now. So I never hope to change our culture, I just wish women can have their independence and own space. Do not need give up their dream only because the men do not want to give up any. Only need the man know comprise for his family.

w2222w

搞清楚自己是怎样的人想过怎样的生活?

搞清楚去那几个学校读mba有助于你实现你想要的生活和梦想么 答案如果肯定那就go不要有任何犹豫!不要计算任何代价  

如果问题有些模糊没搞清楚,那就搞清楚再说么, 毕竟这张牌只能用一次 时间也是有限的.   

最后想说那个问题一定要真的非常清楚才行哦,千万别经过一番努力达到自己曾经想要的东西,回过头看却发现那其实不是你真正想要的!

phaedra

人只有试过才知道到底什么是想要得，比如说，你从没有尝试过的生活，或许你认为是你想要得，但不一定。或许你认为那肯定不是你想要得，但也不一定。所以我的观念，人的思想是可以被潜移默化的，所以国家宣传机器才那么强大，因为人很容易被洗脑，也很容易阿Q，对自己得不到的找缺点，对自己找到的找优点，所以，只有试过才知道，但是，有些时候已经没有条件去试了。

plato1983

摸着石头过河，有利有弊。人生这个链式反应中，高考，考研，读MBA都是会影响到我们的生活轨迹的几条链。To be or not to be,向来是人们心中的疑惑。个人倒觉得，年轻的时候有梦，并能为之奋斗，而不安于现状，是件很好的事情。世界很大，人生还长，life is still full of possibilities,ain't it wonderful? PS:I do like independent gals,though relative few girls in China value independance highly.It is also part of our culture!

Taken

part of the traditional culture is decent men has one wife and several concubines. one slogan in the early revolution is about this: revlotion, lets marry to whom we want , but not who were allocated to us.

what make you a princess is not the prince, but your blood. princess has job and has the duty to take care of her royal family. What make you think princess do nothing about her family?

the truth is almost every girl who born in big city, and got a degree and a relative good job, whose parents are relative rich and whose grandparents were poor, think she is princess. NOTE: this "princess" is your definition. they know it is illusion, but still maintain it inside. another truth is people with really decent and long history family do not like "princess" girl because these girls do not realize who they are.

people hang out together has same value and same field of vision. a man with history does not just mean he has slept with many girls. history and story mean lots of things such as the road he walked, the event he invovled, the field he studied, etc.

you are 27 now, and still hope find a guy who is unsophisticated, innocent, and has no comlicated history in your age. i gotta say, mission impossible and good luck. however, I also respect you because you stick to your dream. maybe one day, you change your mind, i would say welcome to the real world and no respect anymore.

phaedra

I never think princess do nothing about her family. Why do you think so? I have said: we all know the family need all our work.

My definition about princess is not your opinion. I know it means inside. I never think China has noble family.a man with history , My opinion is that just mean he has slept with many girls. So I donot like that kind of people,not what you say. So we just differ in definition, not meaning.

you are 27 now, and still hope find a guy who is unsophisticated, innocent, and has no comlicated history in your age.

Sorry, I never know Why you think as this. I never show and never said about this. I am 27, not 17. I am not innocent. So, require a man unsophisticated? Unless I am crazy.

the real world , believe me, I am already in the real world from 17.

The most important, Please see my opinion word by word. I hope you can grasp my meanings. You know, I really do not know why you think what I think as that. Maybe you are bias toward the big city girl or the independent girl. Of course, like the newpaper attitude about 80's. So be calm, we are talking about my opinion, not all big city girl's opinions.

Taken

My husband make me a princess. But it is just a dream. We all know the home need all our work.

this is what you said, and I take these three sentences as a whole, not one by one.

although some of the noble families had been crashed in material by campaigns and revolutions, the spirit is still alive in these families.

I dont read any newspapers. So its obvious that I dont know what they comment and criticize. Why do you think Im talking about 80s? Im talking about 70s and 80s. Please, dont be so sensitive. I born in 1979, so Im part of 70s and part of 80s. Also, I have some 60s friends. what 70s judge 80s just as what 60s judge 70s. in the near future, 80s will do so on 90s.

I admire independent girls and I encourage them. time has changed, I think we need sth new in our society. for example, one of my female friends told me her bf broke up with her and she is afraid of being alone. She cant imagine the rest of her life because she think she won love anyone as much as her ex-bf and she doesnt want to be alone. I told her someday she can go to hospital and fetch some piece from sperm bank, and then she can have her own baby. Although it is an extreme example, but it is still an example of independence.

I like big city girl. its the truth that they receive better education and are exposed to more fresh things than county girls do. I dated some county girl, she thought the way I live is ridiculous. She blame me why I spent so much time and money on things that are irrelevant with ordninary life.

there are some misunderstandings. for example, innocent doesnt mean innocent in terms of physiological, but mental. however, I dont want to explain more. Because you are not, so you dont require a man are? thats compromise. in my opinion, compromise in work is ok, in personal life? no way.

btw: you are a typical modern girl, regard this as either compliment or blame is up to you.

phaedra

My husband makes me a princess. But it is just a dream. We all know the home needs all our work.

Each girl has a princess dream. I think it has no exception.So just need to clarify the dream and the real life. Dreaming to be a princess sometimes only means : you want to be liked by all others. So just a dream. I am a girl, so I also have.

Why do you think Im talking about 80s? I never said. I said like. it is just an example,  not your opinion, it is the newspaper's opinion. I just think the two are somewhat bias.

she is afraid of being alone. Ok, I have to say afraid is not equal to "cannot live without a husband". So, indepence do not mean not to have, just not to have for have. 原谅我必须用中文解释，也就是说，我们并不是不想找，而是不愿意为了结婚而结婚，为了拥有而拥有。 sometimes we need luck to find a soul mate. I am eager to find a soul mate,but I am not married for married.

She blame me why I spent so much time and money on things that are irrelevant with ordninary life. Ahm, an exception. maybe she is afraid of your future leaving because the non-ordinary life may make you know other beautiful girls or other allures. I think I can understand.She just want to live with you together and for ever and you are too attractive. I think a girl sometimes is afraid of her bf's attractiveness. So it is because that she does not believe you can lover her for ever.

Because you are not, so you dont require a man are? . Sorry, I donot understand

But in my opinion, innocent means innocent in terms of mental. So I mean that I will never dream like a 17 girl.  I do not refer to physical. Ok , just my opinion, even if a man has many ex-gfs, I donot care, What I care is whether he treated his ex-gfs as her gfs. 每一段感情都是认真地想要厮守，但是事不如人愿而已。

However, about physical innocent, I think   I am biased because I do not care a man but care a woman. I think physical innocent is important for a girl, not for a boy。Ok, I admit I am biased about it. But I still persist because I am Chinese.

Ps, compromise in work is ok, in personal life?no way. So woman should compromise in personal life for her family? a family needs the two persons' compromise, I think. For example, homework. I hate it . But if married, I will do some. it is a compromise. So not think about compromise seriously, I just mean some habits or other regular things.

you are a typical modern girl, regard this as either compliment or blame is up to you.
I cannot grasp your idea. I think we just talk about opinions, Why do you think about compliment or blame? I do something wrong????? It is just different in the opinion. not true or false. Just I think or you think. Just hope we can know about others more. Right?

PS, PS: a good communication, I think. Thank you!

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simonshen

同志们啊同志们,为了净化CD语言环境,减少低级幼稚语法错误对大众的潜在误导倾向,拜托大家还是用各自的母语留帖吧!看得俺都流汗了,累啊,哎...

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