The Pursuit of Happyness

ranning

以下是引用ppeema在2007-12-20 23:02:00的发言：

私人恩怨？哈哈哈

哪里称得上恩怨二字

名校，你还是忘不掉这二字啊

这就是MM们要嫁外国人的原因

iammad

以下是引用ppeema在2007-12-20 23:02:00的发言：

名校，你还是忘不掉这二字啊

Among all the words from suncola's posting, you focus on this word, seems that you are the one who never forget it.

From what I can tell, suncola is a nice mm and she already gave a nice gesture to end the argument. Please don't start the war again. Thanks. 

yaoyao99

Ppeema,

Personally, I've had final exams five days in a row, 4.5 hours per exam.  I'm not sure what Suncola and Jessica's schedules are like but I'm sure it's not any less hectic than that.  They're taking time out of their busy schedule to come and share their experience with everyone here.  I'm very grateful for what they're doing and can't understand your need to nitpick on everything they say and take a stand against them.  Of course everyone could have said what they said in a more inclusive, easier to swallow manner, use a more appropriate word here and there.  I believe it's for us to take what they say and do what we'd like with it, not to demand them to change their personal styles.

From what I've seen, the ones with the most impressive experience and exposure to various cultures are the ones most willing to learn and listen to what others have to say.  I'm sorry that you've gone through so much yet are still so unwilling to be open to diverse views. 

It's not the moderator's role to shut down discussions unless they become disrespectful and launches into personal attacks.  I have sent out warning messages based on the previous postings and please expect the second time to be much more severe.

dhdlorent

Personally, I feel ppeema did not attack a different opinion. He is just against an arrogant attitude, to which I believe, many people including me, can see and feel it.

The motivation of LZ's post is abviously out of generosity and comradeship. There is by no means any need to state that "I feel this is a ridiculous movie", even though one disagrees any part of the movie. Many people here asked ppeema state his opinion calmly, but why you guys cannot see the apparent insulting and rude geasure from other side? Why cannot Ms Jessicaf change her way into a more polite and acceptable manner to air her different views? From the Ms jessicaf's comment on the movie and her attitude towards other's goodwill, I feel she is smart, BUT abviously lack of empathy to other's feeling or cannot think in others shoes, or simply is unwilling to do so. (because she is a MBA in top 5?) The ironical thing in my eyes is she just use her own behaviours deny her own argument that admission in top school has acute judgment on people. Obviously, it is not ture. Many people in MBA program know that, and some top MBAs mentality reaffirms it here.

The whole post in general, to me, is very healthy and positive. It really demonstrates some common problems embedded in the minds of some top MBAs, like a narrow concept of human value, incapability to listen and understand other's logic, lack of empathy, exceeding arrogance. On the contrary, I saw ppeema reacted to other's illogic rambling or sheer rudeness in a prudent and moderate way. In my opinion, it is his character as a decent man to make him point out somebody's improper statement. I can understand that.

Again, different opnion is acceptable, not arrogant attitude.

No intention to offend anybody. I learnt a lot from this post, and thanks all of you.

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suncola

I would say, Jessica's manner has nothing to do with her MBA degree. If she didn't have it now, she would be still like this. This is about the personality, which I believe is hard to change.  The argument that she is arrogant becuase she has been through a good school" is totally wrong. This is like "she is rich so she must have done a lot of illegal stuffs".

I myself would be another example. I think I have been becoming even more conservative after admitted, graduated and started to work. The degree makes ppl humble, not arrogant as many people imagined.

If Jessica were just an average person, she might have not recieved these critics simply because she didn't bare the heaviness of the brand name. But, on the other hand, I agree with some of your critics to Jessi. She is very different in these respects from many ppl here. As a school mate, I appreciate her willingness to help. But it never means we reject all reasonable critics. Jessica, and I myself, have a lot to improve.

dhdlorent

Well, that is my personal feeling based on the observation on the previous posts. Surely, it can be wrong. I dont know Jessicaf personally and cannot see her overall aspects. I just 就事论事. No intention to attack anyone.

ChasingCars

以下是引用ranning在2007-12-20 23:13:00的发言：

这就是MM们要嫁外国人的原因

  看来看去，这个帖子最让我气愤，最不讲逻辑！！！

ppeema

看来版主希望控制住我，尽管戴着镣铐跳舞很难受，但是如果因为一些威胁就放弃，那绝对不是我这样一个人的行为。逐一回应你们的话

IAMMAD认为SUNCOLA已经停止了她的评论，事实给了他一个很生动的反驳，我不多说了

YAOYAO，我认为你已经失去了公允性，你好像没有看到，作为我的反对者，他们也跨越了一些界限。正如dhdlorent点出的那样，还有，你提出他们的时间很紧张，可惜你没有意识到我也有我自己的事情。这个是不成立的，如果他们真的很忙，为什么要回帖？好像是JESSICA先在这里评论别人的理念吧？另外，可以接受别人的观点不见得就不能评论，如果我利用暴力，就好像你对我作的一样，来制止别人说话，那是我的问题，但是我一直在做的只是辩论，甚至在她多次提到录取来试图伤害我的情况下，我也没有给予回击。我希望你仔细考虑一下自己作为一个版主应该怎么样作。至于你说的severe warning，你尽可以使用，我也保留我进行回应的权力。

Dhdlorent，我没有您说的那么好，我也发现我在一些时候说的话有些过激，但是您对我反对的确实非常理解，没错，我不是在反对一个观点，我在反对一种态度。

至于SUNCOLA，我不得不很遗憾地指出，你的论证有一些问题，首先你承认经历对人有塑造作用，这在你攻击我的时候提到了，可是你又反对MBA对Jessica有影响，这个就比较奇怪了，她似乎在炫耀自己的时候多次提到自己的名校出身，这个不是一种影响吗？你又以自己为例，可惜的是，你所表现出来的，除了掩饰下的所谓公正，更多的也是这样的一种自负，比如你把我们对JESSICA的批评定论为是因为她是名校出身，这首先使你上面的论证不成立了，其次，好像这里不仅仅你们是名校出身吧？为什么会是她？

事实上，在这个争论的过程中，有很多朋友给我发来了短信，他们很多认识现实中的Jessica，他们的评论验证了我对JESSICA这个人的判断。而且，这个论坛仅仅是我对一些学校了解的途径之一，我已经不只一次地听到了关于某些学校的中国人的负面评价，但是相信我，我不是在批评某些学校，因为一些个人原因，批评就等于自我批评，但是对于有的人而言，似乎应该改正自己的行为了。

yaoyao99

We're all here to learn and to gain different perspectives.  Again, unless someone launches into personal attacks, it's not about who did what wrong and which sentences could be better worded.  Iammad and I are trying to facilitate constructive conversations where we can all feel comfortable sharing our insights and experiences.  Please, pause for five seconds, read over what you wrote, think about whether you really meant that, before you hit the submit button.

Here's a great saying for everyone here.

"The only people with whom you should try to get even are those who have helped you." - John E. Southard