美国今年就业前景不妙哦

violetbubble

吵啊.......

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-12-4 16:53:05编辑过]

lightleo

It's quite interesting to hear the discussion here. Today an old friend sent me an article named "coffee and life", which, I think, would be a suitable addition to this discussion.

Coffee and Life
        

A group of alumni, highly established in their
    
careers, got together to visit their old university professor.
Conversation soon turned into complaints about stress
    
in work and life.
        

Offering his guests coffee,   the professor went to the
kitchen and returned with a large pot of coffee and an assortment
    
of cups - porcelain, plastic, glass, crystal, some plain looking, some
    
expensive, some exquisite - telling them to help themselves to hot
    
coffee.
        

When all the students had a cup of coffee in hand, the
    
professor said:

'If you noticed, all the nice looking expensive cups
    
were taken up, leaving behind the plain and cheap ones.
 
While it is but normal for you to want only the best for yourselves, that is the source
of
your problems and stress.
        

What all of you really wanted was coffee, not the cup,
    
but you consciously went for the best cups and were eyeing
each other's cups.
        

Now if  LIFE is COFFEE, then the  JOBS, MONEY and
    
POSITION in society are the CUPS. They are just tools to hold and contain

Life, but the quality of Life doesn't change.  
    
and
Sometimes, by concentrating
    
only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it.

So, don't let the cups drive you... enjoy the coffee
    
instead. 
        

ppeema

以下是引用suncola在2007-12-4 16:34:00的发言：
ppeema

For marketing and supply chain, CBS or NYU doesn't provide the best ground. Try more general management schools like Duke, Ross, Darden, etc. However, CBS does have one great supply chain professor, a Chinese guy. You can find his info from the website and may want to reach him.

On the other hand, your big 4 background doesn't lead to a marketing/supply chain role necessarily. You may reconsider how to build up your experience in the coming years or illustrate your stories.

非常感谢你的关心，选择CBS有很复杂的原因。同时NYU已经不在我的名单上，你提出的那些学校除了ROSS也并不非常适合我，我已经有了适合自己的选择，排名不是很高，但是专业很好

谢谢你的指导

leepee

以下是引用OKMBA在2007-11-29 15:54:00的发言：

American Economy is in bad shape, for example, weak dollors, subprime crisis, bad stock market, high oil price among other bad economic indicators. It is real tough for international students to land a good job. A lot of companies recruiting on campus offer fewer positions with h1b sponsorship.

USA counts on the strong Chinese economy, which may help prevent world economy from going into a serious recession?

Wish all of the bad news will not translate into worse news for Chinese students in USA. Get fingers crossed...

 agree, my American friends told me that  the Amecican Economy is not in good point.

iammad

忍不住跳出来说几句。

事先声明，我没做过咨询，也没做过投行，一直都是在engineer领域里做，对business不了解，迄今为止还没拿到什么牛offer，不是insider，所以对各位前辈讨论的投行啊美国经济现状态啊life balance啊都不是很了解，因此一直静静地看这个贴，学习前辈高人的经验教训，没有插话。但是现在似乎火药味有点浓了，所以想跑出来做个和事佬，希望大家不要砸鸡蛋。

首先想说的是，大家说话的时候，内涵固然重要，简洁明了固然可贵，但不应该忽略说话的语气，免得对方难以接受，引发争端。举个例子说，医生从手术室里出来，传达坏消息的时候，他可以对病人家属说“死啦”，也可以说“对不起，我们已经尽力了，请节哀顺便”。这两种说法哪种更to the point更简洁明了？显然是第一种。但是我想99%的人会觉得后一种表达方式更好些，听到前一种冷冰冰的说法时搞不好会揍医生一拳，即使医生已经尽力抢救。The point is: 大家发贴时，在简洁明了之余，语气稍微柔和一些，可以避免很多争端。

其次，读过或正在读MBA的一些前辈们，会有一些我们这些还没进b-school的后辈不容易体会到的insight。这些insight是很值得宝贵的，我们这些新人还是应该认真地看看，就算不同意其中的一些看法，也没有必要针锋相对，非得辩一个是非黑白。世界上的事本来并不都是“非黑即白”的。我们来论坛的目的，就是为了交流，为了长见识，口水战对交流没有帮助，又把自己和对方搞得火冒三丈，似乎有点划不来。不妨本着“批判地接受”的态度，从前人的经验中汲取养分，让自己“利益最大化”。骂来骂去的，自己又得不到什么，何苦呢？

最后 --- 我知道简洁明了向来不是我的优点，大家就忍一会儿，废话马上说完 -- 我记得中学时读过一篇文章叫 “弈喻”，其中有一段话我特别喜欢，至今仍能背诵，送给各位，共勉之：

“理之所在，各是其所是，各非其所非，世无孔子，谁能定是非之真？然则人之失者未必非得也，吾之无失者未必非大失也，而彼此相嗤，无有已时，曾观弈者之不若已。”

个人看法，希望不会招砖。各位，请熄战火吧。请帮助维持CD的友好气氛，谢谢。 

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-12-4 17:40:54编辑过]

iammad

以下是引用lightleo在2007-12-4 17:12:00的发言：
It's quite interesting to hear the discussion here. Today an old friend sent me an article named "coffee and life", which, I think, would be a suitable addition to this discussion.

Coffee and Life
  

Great article.  I like it. Thank you for sharing.

shaoji

很多毕业的MBA都不想再发言，原因就是说了真话大家也不信，还觉得说真话的人自以为是。好为人师也是希望没进围城的人少走弯路，就算有炫耀的心理也可以理解，要不然为什么你录取个M7的甚至top20的也要跑上来一通感谢，难道不是希望得到大家的认可同时满足点虚荣心吗？

MBA毕业后找到好工作的多半是兼听则明，愿意多听取学长意见，早早做好准备的人。这点上大家应该谢谢jessica。

ChasingCars

以下是引用iammad在2007-12-4 17:38:00的发言：

忍不住跳出来说几句。

事先声明，我没做过咨询，也没做过投行，一直都是在engineer领域里做，对business不了解，迄今为止还没拿到什么牛offer，不是insider，所以对各位前辈讨论的投行啊美国经济现状态啊life balance啊都不是很了解，因此一直静静地看这个贴，学习前辈高人的经验教训，没有插话。但是现在似乎火药味有点浓了，所以想跑出来做个和事佬，希望大家不要砸鸡蛋。

首先想说的是，大家说话的时候，内涵固然重要，简洁明了固然可贵，但不应该忽略说话的语气，免得对方难以接受，引发争端。举个例子说，医生从手术室里出来，传达坏消息的时候，他可以对病人家属说“死啦”，也可以说“对不起，我们已经尽力了，请节哀顺便”。这两种说法哪种更to the point更简洁明了？显然是第一种。但是我想99%的人会觉得后一种表达方式更好些，听到前一种冷冰冰的说法时搞不好会揍医生一拳，即使医生已经尽力抢救。The point is: 大家发贴时，在简洁明了之余，语气稍微柔和一些，可以避免很多争端。

其次，读过或正在读MBA的一些前辈们，会有一些我们这些还没进b-school的后辈不容易体会到的insight。这些insight是很值得宝贵的，我们这些新人还是应该认真地看看，就算不同意其中的一些看法，也没有必要针锋相对，非得辩一个是非黑白。世界上的事本来并不都是“非黑即白”的。我们来论坛的目的，就是为了交流，为了长见识，口水战对交流没有帮助，又把自己和对方搞得火冒三丈，似乎有点划不来。不妨本着“批判地接受”的态度，从前人的经验中汲取养分，让自己“利益最大化”。骂来骂去的，自己又得不到什么，何苦呢？

最后 --- 我知道简洁明了向来不是我的优点，大家就忍一会儿，废话马上说完 -- 我记得中学时读过一篇文章叫 “弈喻”，其中有一段话我特别喜欢，至今仍能背诵，送给各位，共勉之：

“理之所在，各是其所是，各非其所非，世无孔子，谁能定是非之真？然则人之失者未必非得也，吾之无失者未必非大失也，而彼此相嗤，无有已时，曾观弈者之不若已。”

个人看法，希望不会招砖。各位，请熄战火吧。请帮助维持CD的友好气氛，谢谢。 

同意斑竹的发言，其实我72楼的帖子也是这个意思。

现在回过头来从另一个角度看看，觉得还是有点意义的，大家都是读MBA 或准备读MBA的。

立场不坚持，观点不明确，旗帜不鲜明怎么混？？

从而看出大家都是读MBA的好料。

就此打住，且作为一个庸俗的皆大欢喜的收场。

Taken

... what a mess!

calm down, ok? attacking each other is not the way to show how well educated and sophisticated you are.

guys, the spirit of internet is sharing, not attacking.

for people who want to learn from sharing, please ignore the tone or attitude.

for people who want to share, please pay attention to tone or attitude. afterall, you wan to share something with others. nobody desire negative results after doing favor.

for people who administer the forum (should I call you guys board members?), please pay attention to your attitude. Your behavior not only represent yourself, but also the forum.

and remember, forum is not the place in which you abreact pressure and unsatisfactory mood.

alanhtang

等待总是痛苦的， 估计到了3-4月份， in的in了， ding的ding了， 在读的都找到归宿了，或者死心了，大家的energy就会diverge到别的方向了。  呵呵， 看了此贴， 特地留个到此一游。

p.s.记得有个哥们儿跟我说， 中国人就是不够aggressive,  所以国外政界商界都是老外把持着， case的讨论中国人发言也不如老外积极。 申请mba过程中越来越发现agressive其实不一定是贬义。偶也是工程师， 很少aggressive， 大部分时候也是个quiet guy， 焦虑的等待， 希望能有offer...