二流美国法学院JD毕业就业前景

Lilac29

以下是引用snowheat在2007-3-27 4:35:00的发言：
你可以问问自己-----你和LAW SCHOOL PEERS比, 有什么优势?

因为:
1. 通晓中国法律--> 派往中国开分所?
2. 能讲中文?
3. 是国际学生(F1) ?
4. 有美国IVY 的PHD?
5. 你的年龄, 你的气质, 你的法律素养?
6. 全班TOP, LAW REVIEW MEMBER?
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1001. 你能证明你比中国背景的JD强? 
1002. 你能证明你比美国背景的JD强?

法律讲的是能力!

你自己算算, 就知道上下几何了!!!!

You really sound like the guy who posted the loser post, who used the name of HLS09.

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snowheat

打字员月薪比刚毕业法学学士高1000元
    

　　“快件转发的收派员转正后月薪2500元～3500元，跟车中转的运作员试用期过后月薪2500元左右，打字速度在60字/分钟以上的输单员月
薪2300元左右，司机月薪2500元”。记者在招聘会上发现，一家速运公司开出了高薪，只要高中或者中专以上学历便可。一些车工、钳工的月薪也有
2500元～3500元。

    

　　与此形成鲜明对比的是，昨日记者走访广州大学生就业市场发现，一家投资公司针对应届毕业生开出的月薪只有1200元～1600元，并且不包食宿，相比一些招保安、司机的职位，薪资都低。一位招聘负责人坦言，这就是应届大学生的“市价”，并非他们故意压低工薪。

    

　　对于低起薪，大学生怎么看？起薪只有1500元的小张表示，现在大学生的起薪确实比较低，但他相信工作几年后，薪资上涨的速度会比较快，上涨的空间也是比较大的。

    

　　小张学了4年法律获得法学学士学位，毕业后花了半年的时间复习通过了国家司法考试，但小张知道，通过国家司法考试只是从事法律职业的一把钥匙，
并不会体现出多大的工薪价值。小张对记者说，做律师是他的职业理想，因此，他求职的过程也相对简单，就是不断地在广州寻找律师事务所。几经折腾，小张与一
家中型的律师事务所签了约，在一年内的实习律师期间，小张月薪1500元，没有任何其他奖金和补贴。小张与记者算了一笔账，他说，虽然现在他的月薪只有
1500元，但一年实习期满后，他就能拿到律师执业资格证书，到时，他的月薪也会涨1000元以上，加上可以独立办案，提成也会逐渐增多。在这一年的实习
期，小张还可以在律师事务所跟着师傅学习不少的经验。

    

　　“工作的价值并不是仅仅可以通过薪资反映出来的。”小张如是说，“不是还有不少大学生愿意零工资就业嘛，我想他们主要看重的是今后的职业前景和
就业机会，看职业能否提供一个良好的发展平台”，对比起农民工几年、十几年也不变的情况是完全不同的，因此，小张没有后悔自己上大学，也没有对目前的状况
感到不满，农民工的职业基本上已经固定，而大学毕业生却有无限的可能。

    

　　

资料照片：在茫茫人海中找一份好工作，不但要实力过人，还要有一个好心态。（高鹤涛 摄）

neohawk

以下是引用Lilac29在2007-3-27 5:34:00的发言：

You really sound like the guy who posted the loser post, who uses the name of HLS09.

"发信人: snowheat (heatsnow), 信区: Law
标  题: Re: 寻找harvard law shool mates
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Mar 26 14:01:52 2007)

LLM or JD?

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snowheat

You really sound like the guy who posted the loser post, who uses the name of HLS09."

Hey,
you have the legal right to assume anything!  IT's your freedom, huh? 
Someone may consider you as some monkey surfing the horrible internet.

BTW, I donot have and will not do an LLM. According to 打字员月薪比刚毕业法学学士高1000元, LLM may not help these fresh graduates.

To
me, obtaining the degree in one thing, what you can really achieve is
quite another.  Working like a slave while even earning 170K sounds a "loser";
does the title "loser" sound familiar?   Did I mention that you can
pursue far more than you can imagine with your law degree, beside
acting as a rainmaker?

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Lilac29

以下是引用rosevv在2007-3-27 4:48:00的发言：

法律执业能力是靠机会来实践的！ 我的问题是在美国有没有这个实践机会！ 你所罗列的能力是before graduate from law school,会讲中文，有美国的IVY的PHD， 年龄，气质，这些并不反映你的法律才能。 法学院排名成绩和law review 更代表一个人的法律学术能力，法学院的教授们多以此居多。practicing lawyer is more than this, it is a matter of practice！ Do we have this chance in practice to show our legal talent?? This is my question.

法律执业能力是靠机会来实践的！--- Couldn't agree more!

When I told my teacher, who got his J.D. and Ph.D from Harvard, that I chose school using US news, he didn't quite agree. In his opinion, stuff taught in law school is pretty much same. And not like in the top law school, most teachers practice law at the same time so that it would benefit students more. But top law school does better in opening the door part.

One of my friends' immigration lawyer is American, who got his J.D. from Temple, charging her a lot. Another friend, her lawyer graduating from Yeshiva.  The only problem you have, in my opinion, most likely is visa. I think you probably should ask for career office and some law firms. Just be patient. You will be fine.

funnytiger

以下是引用rosevv在2007-3-27 3:34:00的发言：

谢谢Lilac29 and funnytiger.

我现在的状况是2L， 马上进入3L， 转学已经不可能，即使我是1L，想转学，地理位置好的法学院学费太贵，我是自费，对于没有CO-SIGNER的国际学生，即便我当初的成绩可以达到top14 的标准，也会因经济问题不去读的。

所以在目前消费水准较低的二流法学院就读似乎是我唯一的选择。

问题是，如果我通过纽约的BAR， 是否和当地毕业的普通法学院具有同样竞争力，假设学习成绩相当。

对于中国人来说， 语言能力和身份问题永远不能让你跟美国学生公平竞争的。 NY的BAR很多人能考过，对你来说产生不了优势。既然你已经上了贼船了， 那只好进全力找工作， 希望老天祝福你了。 很可能你要从中国所里开始熬起， 另外看看一些公司的IN-HOUSE工作。

中国的情况我不是权威， 你也可以考量。

可惜你当初没申请top14, 几乎所有的TOP14都有不需要CO-SIGNER的INTERNATIONAL LOAN。钱根本就不是问题。 不过既然已经过去了， 也没什么好提了。

rosevv

Thanks again to Lilac 29 and funnytiger's heartfelt advice! I will not give up easily. :-)

polyester

I am surprised that your Harvard trained teacher thought there was little difference between law schools. Sure, most law schools offer similar curriculums, but in the quality of scholarship, schools do differ. Whether the law school professor has the practical skills as a lawyer is the least important thing to me. I care much more about the professor's insights and his/her influence on the legal community. Knowing what law is may help you in your summer internship, but all the details you learn in the law school will probably be obsolete in five years.

I know it may sound too idealistic, but very few people can plan their career as lawyers at the beginning. Why limit your options at the time when you enter law schools? Why choose such a narrow scope when you know nothing about law or the legal practice? When you spend so much time arguing about the costs and benefits of being a patent lawyer, why not talk to more people who have different career paths? Even if you graduate from a tier-2 law school, is practicing law in US your only option?

snowheat

How's going, Poly?   Great points; you revealed the essence of true legal education.

Law school stands out as the ivory tower leading to fullest spectrum of life career, not the money-making machine in many people's mind!  $$$$$$ is merely the byproduct of legal profession, and really great legal professional donot care about $$$$; they devote to the value system of legal beliefs.

It's no surprise to see that so many law school applicants misunderstand the meaning of legal education. If any chance, they can ask the very question to the majority of congressmen and senators,and they are the best representives of law school graduates.

Lilac29

以下是引用polyester在2007-3-27 9:24:00的发言：
I am surprised that your Harvard trained teacher thought there was little difference between law schools. Sure, most law schools offer similar curriculums, but in the quality of scholarship, schools do differ. Whether the law school professor has the practical skills as a lawyer is the least important thing to me. I care much more about the professor's insights and his/her influence on the legal community. Knowing what law is may help you in your summer internship, but all the details you learn in the law school will probably be obsolete in five years.

I know it may sound too idealistic, but very few people can plan their career as lawyers at the beginning. Why limit your options at the time when you enter law schools? Why choose such a narrow scope when you know nothing about law or the legal practice? When you spend so much time arguing about the costs and benefits of being a patent lawyer, why not talk to more people who have different career paths? Even if you graduate from a tier-2 law school, is practicing law in US your only option?

Thanks. It is a very good point.

I agree that the better the school, the more opportunity there. I think the point I was making is that having a degree from Tier2 law school is not the end of world. Everyone has a chance to survive and thrive in the American legal field, even though not everyone can make to Top 14. Everyone has chance to enter the legal field in China even though not everyone has studied law in college in China. If you have a will, there is a way.

I agree with you that no particular path needed to be decided before going to law school. Someone told me exactly same thing the first time I went to the law school forum. And the more I know about law, the more fanscianting it seems.

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