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[原创]MBA with no W/E

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21#
发表于 2009-12-28 08:29:24 | 只看该作者
Agree. For most people, applying straight away doesn't make sense. It was simply my experience, when I applied, that nobody else had given (or, could give) me the other side of the story- why it may be good to apply without work experience.

This is the main reason I write my own experience: so that CDers, particularly the minority for whom applying straight out of school may be a good choice, can get a balanced perspective.
22#
发表于 2009-12-28 10:52:25 | 只看该作者
我也是在美国读本科的,曾经也想早点读MBA,一步到位,不过工作了几年后我完全同意lz的看法。一进商学院,在课堂社交的假象外,就是围绕着找工作做准备。如果MBA不能为你带来一个好工作,那么除非你是富二代高干子弟纯粹镀金去的,你的MBA就是一个完全的失败。
在MBA,如果之前没有工作经验或者工作经验不够,那是基本上没可能拿到很好的面试机会的。我记得以前读金镛看到这么一句话(大意):如果武功差人一步,那是处处受人压制,不会说有侥幸一大半时间他胜,一小半时间你胜。公司选择面试对象也是一样。凭什么要从没有的经验里面看到你的潜力呢?学校招生办可能喜欢听故事,但被他们认可、被录取离成功还差得远,真正工作了就发现社会现实无比。我工作了几年,行业都是MBA们争破头想去的,公司怎么看经验不够的人,面试官回来怎么嘲笑他们,再清楚不过。
所谓的nothing is impossible,这个impossible不只是入学,而是以后的种种。拔苗助长,想要这些impossible都变成possible,不是那么简单,说实话大部分能把所有的impossible变成possible的人,都不屑说这句话。
我大学有个中国学生毕业直接去了沃顿,成绩很好的,但是据说现在后悔极了,找工作挫折大了去了。
MBA只能读一次,所以有的时候读了还不如不读。等于二八年华的女子匆匆忙忙把自己嫁掉,还不如等几年可能遇到更好的良人。
-- by 会员 stellaecon (2009/12/28 2:44:18)


哈哈,二八年华匆匆把自己嫁掉,不如再等几年遇到更好的良人,好比喻
23#
发表于 2009-12-28 11:13:17 | 只看该作者
I'm sure that an MBA w/o WE can benefit a limited few, and this probably makes the most sense to them. However, you need to know that to most people, MBA is still about finding a better job. Not everyone can enjoy the luxury of spending $$$$$ on school without thinking about the next step after graduation. For those that apply simply trying to expedite career path, they will find themselves utterly wrong.

by the way, Jason, what are your career options after school then? Maybe you can share it with us so people know if it's realistic for them.
24#
发表于 2009-12-28 12:44:54 | 只看该作者
stellaecon> Agreed. For all of us, we study partly because we want to find a better job. But there is nothing magically different about you just because you got into and graduated from a business school. If business school is first and foremost about finding a better job, and therefore you spend as much time as you can recruiting, then have you really improved as a professional by the end of it? Debatable. This is what I mean by 'we have different goals'.

That piece of paper- MBA- does indeed give you more options. But some people take those job options as the chief and primary goal of business school, because you learn most at a workplace, while some people think that business school is still 'school', and you learn most at 'school'. I fall into the latter camp.

I am going to do sales, in a media company, selling advertisements, after business school. I wanted to work in the media pre-business school, and I want to do sales to learn the economics of the media business. This is extremely realistic for anyone- anyone on this chasedream forum can go and do this right now. You certainly don't need an MBA to do what I am going to do. This is what I wanted to do, so in my second year, I did not even bother looking for another job. I was presented with the option I wanted, and so I took it. It just so happened mine was an easy option, because most people don't want it. All the better for me

But like I said, the MBA has been more than finding a job, which is why perhaps my choice of job may sound strange. I have a specific plan in mind, and that plan lasts for the next 10 years, at least. So I'm not bothered. I got into the MBA programme with the aim to learn, and that's exactly what I've done. At the same time, I realise that part of that may be because of my own naivety, having not worked before, that I think that you can still learn certain things about business from a school environment- be it working with others, classes, and so on. Some people might think this makes me green behind the ears, that I will learn the 'truth' when I start working. They are no doubt right. There is much for me to learn. But at this point, what they see as my curse, my inexperience, I see as a blessing. I think that work experience, too, blinds people to the value of certain types of learning. Inexperience works both ways. I am inexperienced in knowing how to function in a work environment; they are inexperienced in knowing how to learn in a school.

I'm glad we agree that an MBA w/o WE can benefit some, though not all. The same can perhaps be said of any applicant to an MBA programme. Which, interestingly enough, coincides with a key question that all schools ask. Why do you want an MBA, why now, and why at our particular school?

Lastly, to answer your question directly- since I realise that my options are not what most people are looking for. My fellow classmates with no work experience are going to be doing the following things after graduation: PE, Real Estate, Banking, Consulting, General Management, Entrepreneurship. There aren't that many of us, which may explain why other industries (eg. non-profit) are less represented. We have found that the industries that traditionally have high turnover (consulting, banking) are much less open to hiring students with no work experience, since in effect they merely want to 'rent' your services for two years. On the other hand, we have had much better success finding employment in industries like PE, General Management, Entrepreneurship, where they look out for loyalty, for someone to stay a long time- these tend to be more willing to look past our obvious lack of skill-sets and look to our learning ability.

Having said that, some have still been successful in something like consulting. But not me. I think I truly got what I deserved, because I really wasn't spending as much time as these other guys were doing recruiting. But everybody knows that we only have 24 hours a day... and everyone has to make trade-offs. You can't have it all, and what matters most is that you're happy with what you do have, and what you've had to give up.

BTW, the need to make trade-offs in business school is perhaps something most who haven't pursued an MBA don't understand. When you apply, you look out for, I want to do 'x, y and z'. But the moment you go into business school, you realise the choice becomes, 'I am willing to give up a, b and c'. Everyone starts out thinking they can do 'a, b AND c'. But soon you realise- say in recruiting, you wish you only had to spend one hour a day doing it, but there are people around you spending five hours, ten hours- every free moment, even, networking and doing more. So you realise you gotta do more if you really want to get the job, and you do, and eventually all you're doing is that. I didn't do this, which is why I said, I probably get what I deserve.

Anyway, to link this to my experience, I have chosen to give up something which a lot of my classmates, with more experience, haven't chosen to do- perhaps because they value the learning you can glean at the workplace more than I do. This is where my inexperience comes into play. Nonetheless, as I've mentioned above, I think inexperience works both ways, and it's interesting to me that it is the youngest (most experienced with school) and oldest (most experienced with work) guys at business school who have tended to make similar choices as I have.

Jason
25#
发表于 2009-12-28 13:26:43 | 只看该作者
constructive advice
26#
发表于 2009-12-28 14:09:59 | 只看该作者
赞成楼主
27#
发表于 2009-12-28 17:20:08 | 只看该作者
Thanks for your sharing. Support ur point.
28#
发表于 2010-1-16 22:25:24 | 只看该作者
I agree with you.     without working experience,I still want to go to business school.
29#
发表于 2010-10-12 20:04:44 | 只看该作者
参考参考~~
30#
发表于 2011-1-26 18:43:02 | 只看该作者
besides MBA
We still have a variety of choice...
: )
Thx LZ
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