从求学与就业两个角度来看中欧与国外商学院的对比

aarongongwu

First, it might be a tough experience to share my personal experience, because somebody may utilize it as a tool for personal attack, for whatever the purposes. Still, I wrote to share, at the stake of my personality. I am not forcing anybody to accept my experience but I hope it is of use to perspective CEIBS students. You can read it, think about it, call your friends in other B-schools and finally make you own dicision. Ever better (or worse), you can re-think what I have said in my topic once you are in B-schools ( exactly some MBAs are doing right now when they see I, from CEIBS, but get much better payback).

Second, I need to make some points clear. I am not going to argue with anybody, because it is your right to say anything you want. I am not going to change anything that I have commented or said, because it is the way to share my personal experience and thoughts. More important, I talk about what I experienced, not what you like. If you don't like, speak up! I am listening carefully.  I am not going to talk about anything about other sister B-schools, because it can not help me as a person and CEIBS as a school to develop further and stronger.

But, I have to appologize if any of my content hurt anybody. I am sorry if I made anyone misunderstood. Thanks!

Best wishes to all for mid-autumn festival! 中国的月亮一样圆。


    

mileszhang

作为本土出生的80后学子，请一定不要忘记我们国家还处于“发展中国家”+“中国特色”这两个大环境，我觉得自己的事业今后根基中国，因此像中欧/香港科技/BiMBA/长江等，才是真正可行的选择。

等有了基于国内顶级商学院的基础以后，再大大方方的打拼几年，我们可以更好的融入世界经济当中。

对于大多数人而言，不能违反事物的进化规律，一步登天的传说可能真的只有“超级女生”里面可以有。

msfox

感谢aarongongwu。

很好的分享文章。一直关注CEIBS申请的同学可以发现，在CEIBS答疑帖子中，aarongongwu 耐心解答了很多CDer的提问，并且经常总结分享自己的经验心得，帮助大家多了解CEIBS的学习和生活情况，也讲了自己当时申请的经验。

可能这些经验和想法还不够全面，但无疑给申请CEIBS的同学打开了一面了解学校的窗户。至于窗内的风景到底如何，大家可以结合其他信息，做出自己的判断。

但至少，请尊重LZ的劳动成果。只有越来越多的人愿意分享自己的经验和心得，才能从不同角度折射出一个真实的，立体的CEIBS。

slate

不管怎样，lz给我们展示了自己的想法。不错！

pizi

WUZHENGHAO还是把那个G夹起来。如果说务实，就请你多为自己的学校或申请人做点明白事。

我有一个想法和YAHOOGOOGLE一样，就是不喜欢项总对中欧的评价。十一那天我和我女朋友去国美买准备买电脑，最开始看的是清华同方的，然后看身后的联想的“锋行”，这时联想的一个促销小女孩对我们说“清华同方的机器很差的，我自己就是买的清华同方的，保修很不方便。。。”我们询问了联想的机器后我说要看看HP的，那个小女孩趁着HP的介绍人员去取样机详细信息的时候又跑过来说HP的机器返修率很高什么的，其实倒是HP的那个销售男孩很坦诚，问了我们的需求后说建议我们买一个最接近的中低端配置，然后可以在那个基础上加独立显卡。我们最后没有买，在出店门的时候女朋友对我说非常讨厌联想那个推销的小女孩。虽然我们这次不会买HP，因为价格还是比较高，但绝对不会去买那个联想的。

或许这个是中国商业竞争特色吧，希望最后不要弄出什么“儿子新时空，老子全球通！”这样的标语。

royzhujian

cebis is much better than Ross?

R u kidding, dude?

bolodong

以下是引用yahoogoogle在2006-10-5 5:46:00的发言： When I glanced through the LZ's article for the first time and read the reply of CK's supporter. I thought that CKers overreacted. Then I replied CKers do not be too senstive, you have your own strengths and just let others know. Most of the applicats will try to know both schools and make their own judgement. Just like after you joined CK, you do not care about what CEIBS is from then on. Auguring here will just make the potential applicants look down opon Chinese B-schools. CKers do not be too senstive, you have your own strengths and just let others know. Most of the applicats will try to know both schools and make their own judgement. Just like after you joined CK, you do not care about what CEIBS is from then on. Auguring here will just make the potential applicants look down opon Chinese B-schools. CKers do not be too senstive, you have your own strengths and just let others know. Most of the applicats will try to know both schools and make their own judgement. Just like after you joined CK, you do not care about what CEIBS is from then on. Auguring here will just make the potential applicants look down opon Chinese B-schools. josephhan001 is right. Part of the content is really misleading. When comparing with overseas school, you said that more opportunities for each student at CEIBS, because you are small. But when comparing with CK, you would not use the same criteria. I do not believe that what you claimed that CEIBS is quite famous in Europe. Better than Fuqua, Darden and Ross...It is really day dreaming...But CEIBS is definately known by much more European than any other B-schools in China. There is nothing wrong by saying CEIBS is good school. However, it is not good to try to benchmark CEIBS with those schools obviously better than CEIBS. It will only make people suspect your integrity on whether you really do not know the fact or you really want to pretend that you do not the fact. I worked in US before, no one knows any Chinese B-school there. The reason why I want to apply CEIBS is just due to CEIBS is one of the best B-schools in China and I want to develop my future career in China. The reason why I may not to apply CK is just because Xiang Bin said something bad on CEIBS's quality and tried to lift CK higher, I do not like the words he used. (*I will take Admission officers words more seriously than students'. ) The reason why I will not apply BIMBA is just because I am working in Shanghai. However, I appreciate the maturity of BIMBA most in this forum. There is nothing wrong by saying CEIBS is good school. However, it is not good to try to benchmark CEIBS with those schools obviously better than CEIBS. It will only make people suspect your integrity on whether you really do not know the fact or you really want to pretend that you do not the fact. I worked in US before, no one knows any Chinese B-school there. The reason why I want to apply CEIBS is just due to CEIBS is one of the best B-schools in China and I want to develop my future career in China. The reason why I may not to apply CK is just because Xiang Bin said something bad on CEIBS's quality and tried to lift CK higher, I do not like the words he used. (*I will take Admission officers words more seriously than students'. ) The reason why I will not apply BIMBA is just because I am working in Shanghai. However, I appreciate the maturity of BIMBA most in this forum. CKers do not be too senstive, 目前正在做OG, 看到这个错挑处来，错了。好像写的时候很冲动吧。你的ID很IT得哦。 另：任何学校都有优点和缺点。发表些认为自己学校得优点，未必其他的学校没有这样的优点。我觉得学校如果能够合并起来就好了！ 首先，中欧没有固定的资金来源，而长江有基金支持，中欧需要赞助和政府的投入。 第二，大家都会积极争取吸引世界顶级的华人教授和国内知名的学者，所以完全可以合在一起，人多力量大！ 第三，中欧有校园，而长江目前没有，所以也可以合作的么。 第四，长江和中欧的学生整体都还不错，都是国内比较优秀的，为什么就不能在一起学习交流进步呢？而在此打嘴架呢？ 第五，这种可能性存在么？ 怎么可能？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？？可能得话，中华民族近代史早就改了，哪里还有出国留学一说！！！！！！ 随便说说，不必当真！

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allfar

最后以我个人的另一观点结束本文：
           经常会有人问我一个问题：你觉得中欧跟长江比怎么样？
           我的回答永远都是：第一，我非常了解中欧，但我不太了解长江；第二，我基本上不把中欧跟长江比，我更关心中欧应该如何向国外顶尖商学院学习并提高自己。所以，请大家不要再问我同样的问题，谢谢！

前辈,你这番话似乎不太象是一位读MBA的人说出的话....

byebye00

I agree with LZ. Why don't CK people talk about their experience at exchange schools and how they compare their experience at these schools with CK? More than 30% of the students at CEIBS can exchange abroad, what about CK?

I also hope that people at CK have the same mindset as LZ. Try to compete with worldclass business school such as Wharton, Stanford, Chicago, Harvard, Kellogg like CEIBS is doing. Do not think of knocking CEIBS down as your goal. We are all in this together  to make China stronger and applicants in China with more opportunities. So please do not say anything negative about CEIBS. Try to say something informative about your school. That will help everyone on this forum.

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tonychu1975

When there is freedom from mechanical conditioning, there is simplicity. The classical man is just a bundle of routine, ideas and tradition. If you follow the classical pattern, you are understanding the routine, the tradition, the shadow — you are not understanding yourself.  - Tao of Jeet Kune Do
    

Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless — like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend. - Bruce Lee