24fall mkt Rochester offer 求问几个问题

zzmypster

Tripleg 发表于 2024-2-2 22:23
I believe my point regarding the 'hiring idiosyncrasies' of some top business schools is on spot. ...

你说的情况根本不relevant。lz比较的是marketing phd跟非top的econ。你自己看看simon mkt的placement，再看看随便哪个top10econ的placement（umich、ulca之类）。你说的top30 econ就更不用看了。

raccoon_paw

zzmypster 发表于 2024-2-2 22:39
你说的情况根本不relevant。lz比较的是marketing phd跟非top的econ。你自己看看simon mkt的placement，再 ...

其实他的观点在finance也不太relevant，基本只有T0 Econ系里做finance related studies的出色的学生才能place到T0/T1 finance系。比如P这种没有finance只有econ的，能place到fin的学生和他们的peer比非常明显的区别。我们系这种T0普通/T1比较好finance系candidates的target school，近年的flyouts加起来貌似就只有2个T0 ECON的，最后也都没录取。剩下他提到的什么OSU UT 的ECON PHD，基本摸不到finance的主流market。有本事卷T0 ECON然后target finance的中国学生大概率也不会来CD问问题，剩下的大概率选Fin或者其他B School majors要比ECON轻松。
如果要比所谓的strenuous，那没有哪个系不是越来越卷的，但是谁都比ECON好点。也不用扯什么可以去XXX做economist，没有T0的招牌，industry难度剧增。

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楼主可以加我，可以分享有关UR的信息给你～

hhhh12399

好的谢谢！

Tripleg

zzmypster: You prompted me to head to the Rochester program's website for placement information, but unfortunately I did not find any after a thorough search. The program has been traditionally fairly strong, but rumor has it that it is going downhill along the way.

A correction: I revisited the Rochester program site and did locate some alumni placements (select).   

    A cursory glance at the placement data for the (so-called) top 30 U.S. Economics Ph.D. programs confirms my earlier assertion that in general graduates from these programs have excellent career prospects in academia, government institutions, or the private sector. In a humble effort to ease clarifying the long-standing misunderstanding with regard to Economics Ph.D. placements, I am planning on including some of this information in the Placement Rankings.

    By the way, the Umich and UCLA Economics programs never appear in the U.S. top 10 bracket in any of the rankings I have identified, among which are IDEAS/RePEc (highly influential and cited), Tilburg's Top Global 100, journal articles focusing on ranking economics departments (a few published in decent journals), and even USNews and WorldReport.

raccoon_paw: You are not a harsh critic of my posting. Thank you for your leniency. Proceeding from a job market point of view, you went beyond my arguments or claims in effect rather than counter or attack those. For instance, I pointed out that some business schools (top or otherwise), particularly their Fin Depts, have an inclination to hire Economics Ph.D.s, but did not mention how rigorous the hiring process is or how treacherous the Econ to Fin conversion is. I dare to ask if you are on job market.

    By the way, I agree with you that placements of the OSU Econ program are incompatible with the faculty research reputation of the Econ Dept and so fall short of meeting the top 30 standards.

Anyone is welcome to critique my postings. Do not hesitate to slam them if one does not like them, but in doing so please do not be biased or disdainful.

hhhh12399

Tripleg 发表于 2024-2-3 21:19
zzmypster: You prompted me to head to the Rochester program's website for placement information, but ...

突然有了烟火味 谢谢大家的讨论！我收获了很多，这个问题就到此为止吧~

Tripleg

hhhh12399 发表于 2024-2-3 23:44
突然有了烟火味 谢谢大家的讨论！我收获了很多，这个问题就到此为止吧~ ...

Before 'your question is marked as being answered' (approximately in your own words, I guess), I want to emphasize that our chat here is far from fiery but both matter-of-factly and calm although not free from biases. I think your concern or misunderstanding is due to a culture or language barrier.

Again, congratulations on your Rochester offer and best wishes!

abed

提供几个并没有被提到的信息，1.Rochester的quant mkt研究实力很不错，utd排名参考价值不高2.structural model在quant mkt还是属于相对小众的领域，比较难发，主要是某几个学校喜欢做，quant现在主流应该还是reduce form, did为主，这类难点不是技术而是data。ml目前属于锦上添花。mkt这边学校tier除了传统几所顶级名校其他差不太多，但需谨慎选择研究方向。可以直接去Rochester官网看老师的CV来判断自己可以选的研究方向。

zzmypster

Tripleg 发表于 2024-2-3 21:19
zzmypster: You prompted me to head to the Rochester program's website for placement information, but ...

我也是懒得继续跟你说了，不过实在看不下去你在这里信口开河。
simon mkt最近几年的全部placement: delaware, unc-charlotte, google, NEU then Houston。老实说，确实没有前些年好了。
umich/ucla公认是top10-15 econ，就算是NYU,Penn这种吧，最近几年placement能到北美R1的也不到三分之一，median placement大约介于amazon跟亚洲学校中间。
我这里还没有只看其中中国人/华人的placement。要知道rochester这些placement可都是中国人/华人。

Tripleg

zzmypster 发表于 2024-2-4 00:37
我也是懒得继续跟你说了，不过实在看不下去你在这里信口开河。
simon mkt最近几年的全部placement: delaw ...

I am not getting a handle on what you mentioned here. I am sorry if you meant I was spewing up nonsense!

Let's respect hhhh12399's wish and shelf the discussion, which has veered too much from her/is original query.