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thomas2007

<>Did you read the context of my first post carefully? My original meaning is that I didn't agree to use the number of funeral attendants to demonstrate how great the pope is. Mao and Deng are just an example. I think you are the one who made the mistake.<br /><>If you stick to Mao and Deng, there is no "if" in history, do you agree? at least Jiang did not show his ability to lead the country go to indenpendence, but Mao did. In terms of Deng, could anyone else could do this so-called "must-did"? <br /><>In terms of Muslims, how do you define true Muslims? do you mean that those Muslims are not "true Muslims" could not believe what that believe? Even in America, Christians are belonged to different branches, could you say which branch is true? Do the other branches are not allowed?<br /></P><><FONT color=#f73809>First，about the number of funeral attendance. Do you believe that all those who attend the funeral of Mao were out of their own will? I am quite sure those who attend Pope's are. </FONT></P><><FONT color=#f73809>Second, agree with you that there is no "if" in history, but that doesn't make Mao a hero, even for Deng, there is always someone out there, could be anyone, who can do the same job sooner or later.</FONT></P><><FONT color=#f73809>Finally, I made my point a bit clearer. Surely you will agree that for anyone, regardless of his belief, it is highly unlikely he is a true believer of any orhodoxical religion if he commits himself to the course of terrorism. If you disagree, then I have no comment since you then you are no different to the cold-blooded vicious animal.</FONT></P><><FONT color=#f73809></FONT> </P>

thomas2007

<>"i think you will" = "you were/you are"? even funnier</P><><FONT color=#ff0000>Here we are talking about logic, which means that the content or implied meaning matters, not the tense or funny vocabulary games.</FONT></P><>there are some big words, ha. as i said, you can lable people whatever you want. again, as a Christian. or maybe you were born this way, gets nothing to do with your belief. but anyway, seems you are at fun labling people. </P><><FONT color=#f70909>Refer back to all your posts, you will find how rediculous you are. On the one hand, you are accusing me of labeling people, on the other hand, you are making generalisations on me based on your untenable premises out of your own imagination.</FONT></P><>i know for sure that as long as CCP is in control, i may not change my nationality. but if somehow one day a person like you is in charge of chinese policy, i will be the first one to abandon my chinese nationality.</P><><FONT color=#f70909>Why "may"? As a patriot, you should use "won't"! sounds like you are a bit unsure of what you are going to say. Who on earth is the liar? You or Me? at least I dare speak out my feelings and concerns, but you don't. because you are so afraid to be judged as disloyal to your country by the CPP.</FONT></P>

adios

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>thomas2007</I>在2005-4-7 18:33:00的发言：</B></DIV><br /><>there are some big words, ha. as i said, you can lable people whatever you want. again, as a Christian. or maybe you were born this way, gets nothing to do with your belief. but anyway, seems you are at fun labling people. </P><br /><><FONT color=#f70909>Refer back to all your posts, you will find how rediculous you are. On the one hand, you are accusing me of labeling people, on the other hand, you are making generalisations on me based on your untenable premises out of your own imagination.</FONT></P><br /><>aside from the emptiness of your labeling people, please point out one place, that i made "generalisation" on you.</P><br /><>and yes, you were labeling people. "brain-washed", "pathetic" etc. isn't it? did, or did not, you say those words to eutopia.</P><br /><>and did bible teach you to do this? i think you have a lot of confession to make.</P><br /><>i know for sure that as long as CCP is in control, i may not change my nationality. but if somehow one day a person like you is in charge of chinese policy, i will be the first one to abandon my chinese nationality.</P><br /><><FONT color=#f70909>Why "may"? As a patriot, you should use "won't"! sounds like you are a bit unsure of what you are going to say. Who on earth is the liar? You or Me? at least I dare speak out my feelings and concerns, but you don't. because you are so afraid to be judged as disloyal to your country by the CPP.</FONT></P><br /><DIV class=quote>"who on earth is the liar? You or Me?"</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>you want the answer? i'll tell you the answer. it's you.</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>don't put something i have never said on me.</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>when did i say i am a "patriot"? tell me when? </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>dare you? here again i am challenging you. dare you to answer this question? </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>otherwise i will give you back the "liar" title, and i am afraid you will wear it to your grave.</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>and yes i know you dare not answer that question. </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>i may or may not change my nationality, so what's wrong with that? i can do, and will do whatever i want. it is none of your business. don't btching around "<FONT color=#000000>sounds like you are a bit unsure of what you are going to say". i know exactly what i am saying, and listen carefully one more time, 'coz i know sometimes so-called "Christian" like you might be mentally-challenged to understand what people are talking:</FONT></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>i may not change my nationality if the CCP is still in power. but if one day some jerks who behave and think like you are in charge, i will be the first to leave. </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>and look at what you have said. on the one hand claim "i love my country", on the other hand saying "i will leave this country FOR EVER".</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>did or did not you say that? dare you admit that? here again, i am challenging you. dare you admit what you have said?</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>i am afraid all your freak show here does not project some good image about a good Christian should be.</DIV><br /><><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f3f3f3"></FONT></P><br /><div align="right"><font color="#000066">[此贴子已经被作者于2005-4-8 14:18:53编辑过]</font></div>

zouweiyao

<>who knows when the funeral of Pope will be held today? which website has the real broadcast of the funeral and can be surfed in Mainland?&nbsp;&nbsp;</P>

holybible

<>By far the best debate I've ever read on CD! </P><>pfpf</P><img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em02.gif" /><img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em02.gif" /><img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em02.gif" />

holybible

<>For those who are fighting with ETS, read this post carefully. You can learn many valuable things here:</P><>1, Some GRE words, synonyms; 2, Typical GMAT logic, strengthen and weaken; 3, Good formats for structuring Analysis and Argument for GMAT; 4, Nice oral English, dialects, and even slangs to improve TOEFL Listening. 5, Some background of western religious history, which is a common topic in GMAT/TOEFL Reading. 6, Typical GMAT thinking formula: you never know who is right or wrong, but you do know there are big conflicts and you must know who supports what; write down the initials of people's names and speical terms while scanning key points. </P><>Suggestion: Copy this post to GMAT section for further studying. </P><img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em08.gif" />

thomas2007

<DIV class=quote>"who on earth is the liar? You or Me?"</DIV><DIV class=quote>you want the answer? i'll tell you the answer. it's you.<FONT color=#f73809>-there is no point to argue with you on this matter, as always, each will stick to his own answer, but whoever best fits the accolade, God knows who is!</FONT></DIV><DIV class=quote>don't put something i have never said on me.</DIV><DIV class=quote>when did i say i am a "patriot"? tell me when?<FONT color=#f70909>-really? please re-visit your lenthy comments: The fact you are constantly accusing me of leaving this country for good at least implies or sounds as if you were a patriot. But if you deny so, fine, I know what sort of jerks you are, and I really have no interest in debating with you. </FONT></DIV><DIV class=quote>dare you? here again i am challenging you. dare you to answer this question? <FONT color=#f70909>-Sure, as always, I am saying what I mean, why I need to conceal my motion? In this regard, you are the veteran.</FONT></DIV><DIV class=quote>otherwise i will give you back the "liar" title, and i am afraid you will wear it to your grave.</DIV><DIV class=quote>and yes i know you dare not answer that question.<FONT color=#f70909>-Again, you are making unjustified assumptions.</FONT></DIV><DIV class=quote>i may or may not change my nationality, so what's wrong with that? i can do, and will do whatever i want. it is none of your business. don't btching around "<FONT color=#000000>sounds like you are a bit unsure of what you are going to say". i know exactly what i am saying, and listen carefully one more time, 'coz i know sometimes so-called "Christian" like you might be mentally-challenged to understand what people are talking:</FONT><FONT color=#f73809>-Nothing wrong, so if you may change your nationality, you are not in a good position to attach another Chinese citizen if he is interested in changing his citizenship, because you are no better. For your last sentense, I really have to say:" It is sometimes a mental challenge to understand your comments as they are ill-organised, poorly reasoned, filled with logic fallacies, and with occational personal attacks, foul languages.</FONT></DIV><DIV class=quote>i may not change my nationality if the CCP is still in power. but if one day some jerks who behave and think like you are in charge, i will be the first to leave. <FONT color=#f70909>-Undoubtedly, you have the right to leave since you are probably un happy to see rational decision maker to rule this country.</FONT></DIV><DIV class=quote>and look at what you have said. on the one hand claim "i love my country", on the other hand saying "i will leave this country FOR EVER".</DIV><DIV class=quote>did or did not you say that? dare you admit that? here again, i am challenging you. dare you admit what you have said?<FONT color=#f70909>- Yes, I said both of them, then what? According to your logic, one who chooses to leave his country for ever can not be considered as loving his country at the same time? Poor fellow, use your own head and think carefully. Take Einstaine for example, due to the fact that he fled his country to avoid Nazi's suppression and torture doesn't tell he does not love his country-Germany. </FONT></DIV><DIV class=quote>i am afraid all your freak show here does not project some good image about a good Christian should be.<FONT color=#f73809>- Well, I might have put the same lovely quote on you. Your comments denote that you are not behaving like a well-educated person, hence your cheap articles are no more worthy of any critiques or even comments since you are unreasonable. Bark as you wish, poor man, I will never speak a word on your articles later!</FONT></DIV>

adios

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>thomas2007</I>在2005-4-8 17:36:00的发言：</B><br /><DIV class=quote><FONT color=#f73809><EM>there is no point to argue with you on this matter, as always, each will stick to his own answer, but whoever best fits the accolade, God knows who is!</EM></FONT></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>of course. i never wanted to change ur opinion. </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>i just want people to open their eyes to see how a so-called "Christian", supposed to be "open-minded" and "respect others", calls another person eutopia "brain-washed", "pathetic" and "liar" (well, this is for me, hehe) - just because the others happen to have different opinions.</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>good enough. i am happy about this.</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote><EM>when did i say i am a "patriot"? tell me when?<FONT color=#f70909>-really? please re-visit your lenthy comments: The fact you are constantly accusing me of leaving this country for good at least implies or sounds as if you were a patriot. But if you deny so, fine, I know what sort of jerks you are, and I really have no interest in debating with you. </FONT></EM></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>so did or did not i say i am a "patriot" in my posts? yes or no? did i even mention this topic "i love my country" in my posts? </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>i wonder why you are such a coward. otherwise, why can't you answer my questions straight, for even just once? </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>and look at your laughable comments "<FONT color=#f70909>The fact you are constantly accusing me of leaving this country for good at least implies or sounds as if you were a patriot</FONT><FONT color=#000000>". well, boy. even i was as evil as Hitler, i still have the rights to criticize the others. can you ever understand that? </FONT></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>since your mind may not work very well, let me give you a simple analogy:</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>if you praise the taste of the egg, doesn't necessarily mean you yourself also must be able to lay eggs. and the fact that you can't lay eggs, doesn't forfeit your rights to comment on the taste of the eggs. </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>do you get that? </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote><EM>dare you? here again i am challenging you. dare you to answer this question? <FONT color=#f70909>-Sure, as always, I am saying what I mean, why I need to conceal my motion? In this regard, you are the veteran.</FONT></EM></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>no, no, no, you are just too humble. you are definitely better than me. let me try to prove it for you. it's just so easy, is what it is:</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>on<FONT color=#ff0000> </FONT><FONT color=#000000>2005-4-6 13:04:00, you said: </FONT><FONT color=#f70909>I love this country</FONT></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>then few hours later on 2005-4-6 22:53:00, you said: <FONT color=#ff0000>I never claimed that I am a pratriot</FONT></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>hmmm.... i wonder what does that mean... "i love this country", and "i never claimed that i am a patriot"...</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote><EM>i may or may not change my nationality, so what's wrong with that? i can do, and will do whatever i want. it is none of your business. don't btching around "sounds like you are a bit unsure of what you are going to say". i know exactly what i am saying, and listen carefully one more time, 'coz i know sometimes so-called "Christian" like you might be mentally-challenged to understand what people are talking:<FONT color=#f73809>-Nothing wrong, so if you may change your nationality, you are not in a good position to attach another Chinese citizen if he is interested in changing his citizenship, because you are no better. For your last sentense, I really have to say:" It is sometimes a mental challenge to understand your comments as they are ill-organised, poorly reasoned, filled with logic fallacies, and with occational personal attacks, foul languages.</FONT></EM></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>ok, here you go again: "<FONT color=#f73809>so if you may change your nationality, you are not in a good position to attach another Chinese citizen if he is interested in changing his citizenship, because you are no better.</FONT><FONT color=#000000>" </FONT>i guess i have no need to say anything else. but just would like to pick this line up and hang it high. </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>i would really suggest you stop here. as i said, you are not making beautiful images about yourself. even i would not lable "Christians" all behave like you, i think you are hurting the images of "Christians".</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>oh and btw, i think you are the one who first threw out "brain-washed", "pathetic", "shut-up" etc. to people on this forum. </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>but of course, those are not "personal attacks", 'foul language" in your dictionary. because you are always right, and your "foul language" is not really "foul". heck, i know you were just doing us all a favor, trying to teach us how stupid we are, right? thank you, thank you very much.</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote><EM>i may not change my nationality if the CCP is still in power. but if one day some jerks who behave and think like you are in charge, i will be the first to leave. <FONT color=#f70909>-Undoubtedly, you have the right to leave since you are probably un happy to see rational decision maker to rule this country.</FONT></EM></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>no i am not worried now. because you said "I will leave this country FOR EVER", so you can love your country in a galaxy far, far away, with those CAPITAL LETTERS to show your deep love to your home-land, right?</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>but hey seriously, thomas2007, please tell us, 'coz i am just curious - did you really write those words "I will leave this country FOR EVER" in big letters to express your love to China, or just the contrary, your deep hatred to China? </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>because to me, usually when people says something like "i will leave this country FOR EVER", especially in BIG letters, it always displays certain degree of "i am fed up with this country", or "i really hated it".</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>you are the first one who claims that "i love this country" ,while saying "i will leave this country FOR EVER". </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>truly, i believe some "Christians" live on a different planet. you know, it's just that the way they express their feelings is right the opposite of those "the Others" - as you mentioned once, those "not blessed by God". </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>and please, tell us, when you were saying "i will leave this country FOR EVER", you were truly epxressing your love to this country? please, please tell us, i am eager to know. but remember, God's watching... don't lie...</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote><EM>did or did not you say that? dare you admit that? here again, i am challenging you. dare you admit what you have said?<FONT color=#f70909>- Yes, I said both of them, then what? </FONT></EM></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>oh, nothing. i just want to let people know that someone could say contrary things without shame. and with a even bigger "then what". </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>then nothing, pal. </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>you have the rights to do, to say whatever you want. i don't really care. just want to let others know that there are such kind of people around us, one hand claim "i love this country", on the other hand "I will leave this country FOR EVER". </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote><FONT color=#f70909><EM>Take Einstaine for example, due to the fact that he fled his country to avoid Nazi's suppression and torture doesn't tell he does not love his country-Germany. </EM></FONT></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>i didn't know Einstein - btw, at least show some decency to the dead, spell his name right, alright? - loved Germany, until few minutes ago, from your mouth, well, actually writting.</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>i thought he never wanted to go back to Germany after he had heard the news of the Holocaust. well, maybe God told you this one night in your dreams that Einstein still loved Germany, right? i can't beat that, LOL...</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>and btw, Einstein didn't believe in God, at least not the Jewish or Christianity God, i hope you at least know that.</DIV><br /><DIV class=quote><EM>i am afraid all your freak show here does not project some good image about a good Christian should be.<FONT color=#f73809>- Well, I might have put the same lovely quote on you. Your comments denote that you are not behaving like a well-educated person, hence your cheap articles are no more worthy of any critiques or even comments since you are unreasonable. Bark as you wish, poor man, I will never speak a word on your articles later!</FONT></EM></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>even i truly hope you could live up with your words and never "speak a word on my articles later", i highly doudted you can hold your "barking" - again, a very nice and respectful word, from the mouth of a "Christian" who supposed to be "open-minded", and "respect the diversity". but i don't blame you. </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>but i would like to trust you once, say, your actions follow your words - never speak a word on my articles again. otherwise, i guess we will have to treat that as "barking", right? </DIV><br /><DIV class=quote>i have my eyes wide open. don't let us down, thomas2007, you can do it.</DIV></DIV><br /><br /><br /><div align="right"><font color="#000066">[此贴子已经被作者于2005-4-8 18:57:09编辑过]</font></div>

thomas2007

<><b><FONT color=#000066>zouweiyao</FONT></b></P><><b><FONT color=#000066>Some advice for you: save your time and energy for something else. There is simply no point arguing with those unreasonable FQs, because they are not reasoning in a logical and decent manner and with scientific attitude. Rather, you will sooner or later find that you are talking to a gang of barking dog. So there is no need to employ logic. Why waste your valuable time on those meanless debates, if you call them debates. They wish to live under dictatorship, being observed even when they are using the toilet-fine, it's their business. They may also wish to be brain washed by Peoples' Daily and even set up a branch CPP in U.S. As long as it is not against the law, let it be!</FONT></b></P>

zouweiyao

<>Thanks for your advice. <p></p></P><>In fact, I have no time to debate with them any more. You know, most guys in CD just benefit from today's China system. After all, the poor never got chance into college after 1993 with education system becoming an earning industry, less than for an MBA in USA. Maybe some guys out of the rich family, fond of wide-readings and thinking dependently, will know a little truth. But how do we think that most guys will accept the logic idea to show sympathy to the grass-rooted people? <p></p></P><>I rarely surf this site before, After getting my offer, I came here for knowing some alumni. Seeing articles posted by Coopers, I suddenly found there are still guys so patriotic. I am glad to know such friends as Coopers, Ucla, Harrioswu, and you. I am glad to know some guys who can think independently as Dukesam, Delphin18, Nocturnetia, Dashasha, Ok, Zoudaodi, etc. <p></p></P><>However, somebody irrational, and some lady or lady-like are so bad-qualified to do personal attacks. I do not dare to think they are “MBA”s too. <p></p></P>I transferred an article from South Weekend but this article is cancelled. I have no interest to surf this website anymore. My friends, I will miss you. You can write my E-mail address, <a href="mailtzouweiyao@sohu.com" target="_blank" >zouweiyao@sohu.com</A>. By the way, Thomos2007, I believe you will have a good life in Canada. In my past 10 years working in foreign companies, I know many west people, who are generous, human, humorous, unselfish and never Chauvinism. Their love to the human being has crossed the board of nation. I think you will get well with those guys. Of course, we should keep the confidence to the grass-rooted man in China. They are very lovely and humorous. They create the world with their hands. Although they are oppressed, they know the truth. They are wise . China will belong to the people at last.&nbsp; &nbsp;