OG-12-102题，这答案真是太牵强了！求人指点！

luciole

做逻辑做得很不顺，难道OG是越到后面越难，觉得好多非要看答案才明白。。。这个我是看了还不明白！！
102. Theater critic: The play La Finestrina, now at the Central Theater, was written in Italy in the 18th century.The director claims that this production is as similar to the original production as is possible in a modern theater.Although the actor who plays Harlequin the clown gives a performance very reminiscent of the 20th century American comedian Groucho Marx, Marx's comic style was very much within the comic acting tradition that had begun in 16th century Italy.
The considerations given best serve as part of an argument that


A.modern audiences would find it hard to tolerate certain characteristics of a historically accurate performance of an 18th century play

B.Groucho Marx once performed the part of the character Harlequin in La Finestrina

C.in the United States the training of actors in the 20th century is based on principles that do not differ radically from those that underlay the training of actors in 18th century Italy

D. the performance of the actor who plays Harle quin in La Finestrna does not serve as evidence against the director's claim

E.the director of La Finestrina must have advised the actor who plays Harlequin to model his performance on comic peoformance of Groucho Marx
答案就是这个D选项了,我不明白既然这个演员的表演是和另一个具有从意大利16世纪开始出现的表演传统的演员有相同的风格，那就是说这个演员也是意大利16世纪的那种风格啊，而导演说的是这出戏已经是现在戏剧里最接近原作的，而原作是产生于18世纪，难道说从16世纪开始的表演传统是和18世纪一样的吗？所以不能用作反对导演的话，我觉得这么明显的时间不一样，明显是说导演说的那句话应该被反驳吧，真是不懂！

考虑各个选项，可以很清楚的排除abc，但是E就算很有点绝对，但是我也觉得比D好，D我自己理解是根本不能serve的。。。

helio5

其实大家都没有看题目问得到底是什么
The considerations given best serve as part of an argument that....
题干中所给出的这一切considerations能够得出什么样的结论？？

D 剧中演员的表演不能成为反驳导演的说法的证据

sure1301

个人觉得是这样的：
1.导演说：尽量按传统版本演了
2.评论家说：演员虽然是按照20世纪的一个演员的方式去演的，但是该演员的风格是16世纪的（隐含意思应该是演员们的表演风格是古老的）
所以应该支持导演的观点
所以演员的表演不能作为反对导演说法的证据（若演员风格是近代的才能反对导演的说法）

ST5

这道CR题难在读懂Question，时间紧凑的时候没有问号误以为这是一个找assumption题目。其实是inference推断题，根据题目提供的considerations能够server给的五个option中的哪一个。有的书介绍这种为main point题目。LS也提到了，解法是找题目中有关键逻辑转折的部分包括although， but等等。

sherry1208

其实这道题的重点不是16世纪的风格和18世纪的不一样，而是old和modern的差别，所以只要演员的风格是old school的话，就不影响导演的claim
而且注意题目里的although，让步，重点其实是主句的“和16世纪的差不多”

Jess526

Step one of the Kaplan method tells us to read the question stem, and then to determine the kind of question that it is. The question stem:

“The considerations given best serve as part of an argument that”
Okay, so there are considerations given (by the author) leading up to an argument. The “considerations given” is evidence, and the question wants us to determine the author’s main point, or conclusion. We call this type of question a “main point” question.
Step two is to analyze the stimulus: Normally, we identify a conclusion by looking for words like “thus, therefore, hence, etc.” .... BUT, in a main point question, we actually don’t want to be attracted by those kind of words-they are put there by the test-maker because they know you will naturally be attracted to them in a main point question.
Instead, in a main point question, the author’s main point will often be signalled by a contrast keyword such as “but,” “however,” “while,” or, “although.”

In the passage of this question, we learn of the director’s claim in the second sentence. The director’s claim is that their reproduction of the play is a lot like the original play. The next sentence starts with the word “although.” Here, the function of “although” is to dismiss potential counter-evidence against the director’s claim: the fact that the actor is like 20th century Groucho Marx could be used against the director’s claim (that the reproduction is a faithful representation of the original 16th century version.)

So from the word “although,” and using some critical reasoning, we can determine that the author’s intent in arguing is to defend the director’s claim against evidence that could go against it (against the director’s claim).
Step three of the method is to make a prediction of the right answer. Say to yourself: “The author is defending the director. The author’s main point is that the director’s claim is correct.”

Step four is to aggressively scan for a match to the prediction. Because we spent so much time generating the prediction, and because we don’t care about wrong answers and why they are wrong, we scan for a choice that matches our insight.

Then, choice D is correct.

小猫Mandy

RichardVeritas 发表于 2017-9-21 01:43
诚实地说，我看到D时就觉得它完全对了。题目看起来是有点困惑，我试着总结一下思路：

题目问：

您说的这点我很受启发，只有当注意到why it is saying 的时候才能真正的开始思考逻辑推理。以前都是泛泛的阅读，感受不到深入的逻辑链！

Quincykkk

suk1yan 发表于 2017-12-7 10:02
The considerations given best serve [ as part of an argument that .....]  
这道题应该是要求分析reaso ...

thanks a lot!

suk1yan

The considerations given best serve [ as part of an argument that .....]  
这道题应该是要求分析reasoning过程，对问题的理解如下：
文中提及的considerations (从Although开始到最后的部分），以怎样的观点（as part of an argument that.....）, 在文中发挥什么作用（give best serve）？

分析文中意思：

【1】Director说，这部剧已经尽可能遵于原著；
【2】虽然，出演该剧的演员会让人想起另一个20世纪的演员Marx。但是，Marx又是一个具有16世纪演绎风格的演员。
（潜台词：能和16世纪的演绎风格像，已经是最大程度上的遵于原著了。）

2是1的立论premise。

所以，consideration 【2】是作为一个立论的支持，在文中发挥作用的。
选D：【2】并没有反驳观点【1】。

StacyTwon

RichardVeritas 发表于 2017-9-21 01:43
诚实地说，我看到D时就觉得它完全对了。题目看起来是有点困惑，我试着总结一下思路：

题目问：

同意！               

Ellen1996

我觉得是这样的，因为题目只说了是按照16世纪就开始了的一种风格演的，我们并不知道这种风格在18世纪是不是主流，或者那个最原始的剧有没有用这个风格，所以并不能够反驳。如果题目给出了18世纪不是用这个风格演的我们才能够反驳导演的话。

RichardVeritas

诚实地说，我看到D时就觉得它完全对了。题目看起来是有点困惑，我试着总结一下思路：

题目问：
The considerations given best serve as part of an argument that
那The considerations given指的是什么呢？

借一下楼上的翻译(稍加改动)：
一部剧写于18世纪，导演说这部剧很接近原著。虽然其中h的表演会让人想起20世纪GM这个人的表演风格，但是GM这个人的表演风格符合从16世纪开始的表演风格。黑体部分就是问的这个considerations，或至少considerations要包括这个部分。我们体会一下这个黑体部分的意思：
前半句说h的表演会让人想起20世纪GM这个人的表演风格, 是against the director's claim"这部剧很接近18世纪原著"的。之后转折词很重要，转折后说但是GM这个人的表演风格符合从16世纪开始的表演风格, acting tradition that had begun in 16th century Italy 说的是一个传统从16世纪开始，并没有结束，那18世纪的表演当然包括在内。所以转折后是否定了前半句的方面意思，也就是h的表演没有问题，没有和导演说这部剧很接近原著冲突。D答案正是这个意思。
D. the performance of the actor who plays Harle quin in La Finestrna does not serve as evidence against the director's claim

当然直接读题目时没有看出这么多细节，但读到答案D时就看清楚了。大家仔细看下，其它任何答案都没有关于The considerations given的联系。所以如果紧扣这个问题，答案还是不难选的。

做逻辑题最主要是思维严密，注意到细节上的指代，和作者论述/argue中的漏洞。Veritas Prep关于阅读提到的一个重点值得参考：阅读和逻辑里，读时要注意内容的逻辑意义(言下之意). The focus is Not WHAT it is saying, but WHY it is saying this. 这里黑体部分就是一个例子。

我的帖子中有思路分析和不少例题解释，欢迎访问拍砖。
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