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HR Master毕业后就业情况信息的教授回邮汇总

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楼主
发表于 2006-3-29 20:15:00 | 只看该作者

HR Master毕业后就业情况信息的教授回邮汇总

最近两周跟国外的教授反复联系询问毕业后的工作问题,现在汇总给HRer们。


注意,这只是教授们自己的看法,或者基于当地的情况,或者基于往届生的情况,不是official instruction,仅供大家参考,请勿以此作为选校依据


Director of Graduate Studies & Professor from University of Minnesota:


I don't know a lot about Cleveland State's HR program. It's not as good as Minnesota or Rutgers but it is probably comparable to Georgia State. The salary situation you noted is generally similar for Chinese graduates of our MA HRIR program. Visa restrictions make for significantly reduced employment opportunities, so students sometimes take any job they can find, even if the salary is very low. The best way to improve your changes of employment opportunities in the US is to get more corporate work experience in China before attending graduate school.


Professor from Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey


Usually, HR graduates from institutions like Cornell, Rutgers and UIUC are extremely competitive while pursuing senior positions in global labor market. However, as what you suppposed, international students from non-English speaking countries will be very likely to encounter cultural conflicts or communication problems while finding a job in US. I don't know where you get the employment information, but I can tell you that your friends were telling you the truth. If you do not have distinguished work experience before taking our graduate program, it will be difficult for you to find internship opportunity during the program or get a decent job here after graduation.


Department Chair & Associate Professor from Cleveland State UNiversity


I cannot ensure you that you be accepted into a intern position during the summmer session. But I will recommend you to some local companies which have close connections with Nance College. Please take it easy. Make youself here first. Problems do exist, but you'll always find ways out as long as you keep fighting for it.  


Associate Professor from Georgia State University


Yes, there are huge job opportunities here in Atlanta. However, US companies are always reluctant to hire Asian students, though they often prefer students from India and Singapore. You may get internship offers during the program, but it can not guarantee you be employed finally (mostly because of the Visa things). I wish I could share you with more good news, but this is all I could tell you at this moment. I'm sorry about that. And I sincerely hope this does not mean you will not choose our program.  


Associate Professor from Marquette University


Job offers here in Wisconsin are not as much as what you can find in either western or eastern coast. And situation is even harder for international students lacking in local cultural background. So, if you plan to find a job in US after graduation, I strongly recommend you get more work experience before starting our program. We would like to help you defer your admission up to 4 semesters if you like.


Assistant Professor from New York Institute of Technology


It depends. In your case, I would suggest you earn as much experience as you can if you would like to find a job in NY after completing our program. As far as I know, the HRIR program offered by University of Minnesota ranks top 3 among all related master programs you could probably find in USA. Carlson has kinds of links with famous enterprises around the world. That's what NYIT cannot make itself paralleled to. But, I'd tell you that international students may not benefit from those links as much as Amercian residents do. Many international HR graduates from all over the US have to go back to serve their country. It's not merely because of the US embassy restrictions on H1 Visa. Actually companies just find excuses to reject you during the interview, while the true problem is always that you may not arm yourself well with sufficient knowledge on the local labor law or you may not hold the language freely as you can.


Associate Professor from Texas A&M University


I don't know for sure whether you will be competitive. But I can tell you that most of our international students always try very hard to find a job after graduation. And their salary is always some 20, or 30 perhaps, percent lower than that of American residents. It is normal all over the States, not just in Texas. I hope this could be helpful.


Assistant Professor from University of New Haven


Visa restrictons is the key. That is why most companies are always not intended to give job offers to international students even if they are proved to be outstanding ones during the internship. Given that international students finally find a job here in US, the salary will be likely to differ a lot from locals. I'm not sure the difference would be $10,000 to $15,000 per year. But it sounds reasonable. I hope you can understand that. I think you will easily find a job while back to China. You should schedule yourslef before you make any further steps.


综上所述,我觉得教授们的普遍意见都是国际学生找工作还是比较难的。前段时间和一个CSU HR master毕业的前辈聊了很长时间,她现在在Houston一家中国人开的猎头公司做猎头,起薪只有$37,000(还得扣差不多20%的税),比同期的美国同学低了1万左右。她还说这已经是比较理想的了,因为有工作总比没工作的好。她觉得自己很幸运,因为她认识的一些在Rutgers和MSU读HR的朋友都回国了,不过薪水在国内来说很高。



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沙发
发表于 2006-3-29 20:59:00 | 只看该作者
感谢分享!
板凳
发表于 2006-3-29 21:01:00 | 只看该作者

所以!自费的同学想清楚了,值不值?


算算你要多少年才能把学费挣回来


感谢搂主!^_^

地板
发表于 2006-3-29 21:02:00 | 只看该作者

谢谢kevin。看来很糟糕呢。。。公司要雇佣国际学生的话,他们的成本是什么呢?

5#
发表于 2006-3-29 21:12:00 | 只看该作者

谢谢KEVIN.


faliaiwen说得对,作决定之前应该考虑清楚.毕竟是个大数目.

6#
 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-29 21:21:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用kid在2006-3-29 21:02:00的发言:

谢谢kevin。看来很糟糕呢。。。公司要雇佣国际学生的话,他们的成本是什么呢?


我觉得最大的成本不是那2000美元的换H1的费用,而是风险成本,尤其是雇去做employment relations或者collective bargaining...

7#
发表于 2006-3-29 21:42:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用kevinleihuang在2006-3-29 21:21:00的发言:


我觉得最大的成本不是那2000美元的换H1的费用,而是风险成本,尤其是雇去做employment relations或者collective bargaining...


风险成本?你还是指文化上的差异?

8#
发表于 2006-3-29 21:51:00 | 只看该作者

楼主费了很多心呢。感激一个!


看来不好找工作的原因似乎VISA比不了解当地文化更加突出。那读其他专业的话应该也会面临找工作难的问题。不只是读HR。

9#
发表于 2006-3-29 22:37:00 | 只看该作者

HR 更趋向Localization而不是Globalization啊!通俗点说:老美对咱不放心啊!(尤其是来自社会主义阵营的Chinese Students。)


找个派回中国工作的差事也不错啊!还能拿relocation allowance。我现在被从上海派到无锡,每月还有5K的relo allow。从美国派回来,怎么也要给个$5K relo allow吧!


祝大家早日签过!

10#
发表于 2006-3-29 22:41:00 | 只看该作者

感谢Kevin提供如此有帮助的信息!


HR和其他职能部门比起来,要求对人性、文化背景有更加深刻的理解。就像中国本土公司根本不会雇用外国人做HR,我们不难理解为什么HR国际学生在美国找工作难。用2年左右的时间透彻的领悟美国文化和多元文化背景下生活的人们,谈何容易。土生土长的中国人在国内做HR都不是件容易的事啊......

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