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楼主
发表于 2003-12-21 00:01:00 | 只看该作者

再议LSAT-12-1-12

不好意思,再次提出这个问题,是因为我不明白为什么C不对。

LSAT-12-1-12
12. in the centerville botanical gardens, all
tulip trees are older than any maples. a
majority, but not all, of the garden's sycamores
are older than any of its maples. all the
garden's maples are older than any of its
dogwoods.
if the statements above are true, which one of
the following must also be true of trees in the
centerville botanical gardens?
(a) some dogwoods are as old as the youngest
tulip trees.
(b) some dogwoods are as old as the youngest
sycamores.
(c) some sycamores are not as old as the oldest
dogwoods.
(d) some tulip trees are not as old as the oldest
sycamores.
(e) some sycamores are not as old as the youngest
tulip trees.

答案E。 这个没问题。 可是我不明白为什么C不对。

文中说大部分S 》M. 故,大部分S》D。 所以 C应该也是对的呀。而且,既然一定有 S》M,那么some Sycamores 一定不和oldest dogwood 一样大。

请NN指点。
沙发
发表于 2003-12-21 10:32:00 | 只看该作者
我同意你的看法。
板凳
发表于 2003-12-21 11:36:00 | 只看该作者
我觉得是不是中英文翻译的时候有点问题呀。

比如C中:
尽管英文表达是: not as old as
中文翻译可能是:比较可大可小;
但如果是英文的话:not as odl as == younger than
for example:
The game is not as bad as what you think.
That is : The game is better than what you think.

If so, it is obvious that C is iincorrect.

讨论.........
地板
 楼主| 发表于 2003-12-21 12:08:00 | 只看该作者
我觉得应该是两个方面都可以理解的。就你说的例子吧:

The game is not as bad as what you think。我可以在后面在加一句,it is even much worse than you think. 你说呢?

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5#
发表于 2003-12-21 12:52:00 | 只看该作者
我觉得还是单方面,
用中文的专有名词来说:就是“偏意复词”!

我们看一下以下几个例子(LSAT):
A company’s personnel director surveyed employees about their satisfaction with the company’s system for awarding employee performance ratings. The survey data indicated that employees who received high ratings were very satisfied with the system. The personnel director concluded from these data that the company’s best-performing employees liked the system.
The personnel director’s conclusion assumes which of the following?
(A) No other performance rating system is as good as the current system.
(B) The company’s best-performing employees received high ratings.
(C) Employees who received low ratings were dissatisfied with the system.
(D) Employees who receive high ratings from a performance-rating system will like that system.
(E) The company’s best-performing employees were motivated to perform well by the knowledge that they would receive performance ratings.

In any field, experience is required for a proficient person to become an expert. Through experience, a proficient person gradually develops a repertory of model situations that allows an immediate, intuitive response to each new situation. This is the hallmark of expertise, and or this reason computerized “expert systems” cannot be as good as human exerts. Although computers have the ability to store millions of bits of information, the knowledge of human experts, who benefit from the experience of thousands of situations, is not stored within their brains in the form of rules and facts.
The argument requires the assumption of which one of the following?
(A) Computers can show no more originality in responding to a situation than that built into them by their designers.
(B) The knowledge of human experts cannot be adequately rendered into the type of information that a computer can store.
(C) Human experts rely on information that can be expressed by rules and facts when they respond to new situations.
(D) Future advances in computer technology will not render computers capable of sorting through greater amounts of information.
(E) Human experts rely heavily on intuition while they are developing a repertory of model situations.

就以上两个例子而言,我觉得
not as good as ===worse than

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6#
发表于 2003-12-21 13:39:00 | 只看该作者
同意八戒的解释。具体的用法还不很清楚。但查了一下张道真的语法书,其中举了个例子。You're not half as clever as you think you are.给出的翻译为你并不如你想象的一半聪明。还有例子:I don't swim as often as I used to.我游泳的时候不像过去那样多了。
由此可鉴 not as good as ===worse than的解释是正确的。
八戒兄高手!
7#
 楼主| 发表于 2003-12-21 14:52:00 | 只看该作者
同意你对具体例子的看法。

但是就这个not as adj as 单句而言,一定是可以两方面理解的。问题就在于,在上面这个题目中,可否把some sycamores are not as old as the oldest dogwoods. 理解为: younger than. 我还是没看出上下文中有说明只能理解成younger than, 而不能理解成older than.

事实上,不等于一定是有两个方面的呀。要么大于,要么小于。

我试了试对C取否定。假设要是所有的S都和oldest dogwoods 一样大,那么,因为dogwood 一定小于maple. 所以所有的S一定小于maple.  这样就和上文相违背了呀。

再论中...
8#
发表于 2003-12-21 15:55:00 | 只看该作者
大部分的s比m老,m比d老,当然推出大部分的s比d老,不过不能反推有些s比d年轻,有没有想过,有可能所有的s都比d老,比如s都是50年以上,m是55年以下,而d是45年以下。
9#
发表于 2003-12-21 22:57:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用bryony在2003-12-21 14:52:00的发言:

我试了试对C取否定。假设要是所有的S都和oldest dogwoods 一样大,那么,因为dogwood 一定小于maple. 所以所有的S一定小于maple.  这样就和上文相违背了呀。

再论中...



我觉得如果C取非后,也不应该是所有的S都和oldest dogwoods一样大呀!
应该是有些s和oldest dogwooods一样大!
对于这个命题,根据原文的信息是没有办法判断的,
可能对,也能错。
因为有些S是小于M的。
所以,我觉得即使C取非后也仍然没有办法判断。

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10#
发表于 2003-12-22 12:28:00 | 只看该作者
注意问题中的:must also be true
C是一种可能性,E则是一定的。
not as old as 我觉得是不一样老
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