[持续讨论帖]OG12 14关于although （2012.4.21问题更新）

双色鹿 · 发表于 2012-2-28 11:22:09

OG12 14题
14. Sunspots, vortices ofgas associated with strong electromagnetic activity, are visible asdark spots on the surface of the Sun but have never been sighted on theSun's poles or equator.
(A) are visible as darkspots on the surface of the Sun but have never been sighted on
(B) are visible as darkspots that never have been sighted on the surface of the Sun
(C) appear on the surfaceof the Sun as dark spots although never sighted at
(D) appear as dark spotson the surface of the Sun, although never having been sighted at
(E) appear as dark spotson the Sun's surface, which have never been sighted on

正确答案为A

OG解释
C. Although typically introduces a subordinate clause, which has a subject and a verb, but here there is no subject and sighted is not a complete verb.

解释中说although后面必须要有主谓，但是我不太明白A选项中but后面省略了主语，那么C选项能不能被视为省略了主谓呢？之前看到一种解释说，although省略要满足两个条件：1. 逻辑主语是主句主语；2. 从句谓语动词必须是be。那么这道题不是刚好符合，可以省略么？

我知道这道题从逻辑上来说although和but意思不一样，不可以用although替换成but，我只是想问问but和although的主谓省略问题
谢谢各位牛牛！！
解答：although省略确实要符合那两个条件，但是此处although需要接 have been所以不符合省略条件

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关于but/and的省略？
解答：but/and主语与主句主语一致时可省略主语，不管and/but前面有没有逗号；连接两个主谓不同的完整句子时一定要用逗号
关于although和逗号：although没有逗号的用法是：主句although从句。如果从句放在前，主从句之间要加逗号：Although从句，主句）

although及其它状语从句的省略？
解答：首先although引导的从句如果要省略主谓，要遵守状语从句的省略条件：
（1）从句主语与主句主语一样
（2）从句的谓语动词为be（am, is, are, were）
符合以上两点，状语从句引导内容可以是：
引导词+ving（现在分词）/+ved（过去分词）/adj.
因为状语从句伴随主句，所以如果表达主动性，则用ving；表达被动性，用ved；表达一种状态，用adj.

通过although引导的状语从句在句中的位置考虑是否省略主谓（语法结构满足省略条件，逻辑上不一定可以省略）
一般认为，although省略的情况出现在句首，或者主句be动词前。
也就是说，有一个主句是【主谓宾】的话，although省略：
要么置于【主谓宾】主句之前；要么置于【主、谓之间】，用插入语的形式
这样做是因为，只有在这两种情况下，我们才能很清晰地看出although的省略，省略的是【主句主语】。
但如果在一个【主谓宾】句子之后，再跟一个although从句的话，可能出现修饰歧义，一般情况下，这个although结构是不省略的

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现在的问题
1、althoug、though和even though的区别？
2、来自认真的bank~
OG 90
Although early soap operas were first aired on evening
radio in the 1920s, they had moved to the daytime
hours of the 1930s when the evening schedule
became crowded with comedians and variety shows.（B）
(A) were first aired on evening radio in the 1920s,
they had moved to the daytime hours of the
1930s
(B) were first aired on evening radio in the 1920s,
they were moved to the daytime hours in the
1930s
(C) were aired first on evening radio in the 1920s,
moving to the daytime hours in the 1930s
(D) were aired first in the evening on 1920s radio,
they moved to the daytime hours of the 1930s
(E) aired on evening radio first in the 1920s, they
were moved to the 1930s in the daytime hours
OG 的解释是：
The two clauses about soap operas should be
parallel.
同样的有OG19题
The Iroquois were primarily planters, but
supplementing their cultivation of maize, squash,
and beans with fishing and hunting.（D）
(A) but supplementing
(B) and had supplemented
(C) and even though they supplemented
(D) although they supplemented
(E) but with supplementing
OG 的解释是：
the simple past
supplemented parallels the simple past were.
不明白是although让它parallel呢，还是逻辑关系parallel呢？

teddybearj4 · 发表于 2012-2-28 13:01:44

LZ所说的although省略的规则是对的，如果单纯看although在C的用法，忽略C乱七八糟的错误的话。OG上的解释应该是这里的although完整的应该是although (sunspots have been) sighted。。。这种省略是体现不出原句子里的时态的。i.e. 原句里的谓语不是be，违背了那个省略规则。

OG12 14题
14. Sunspots, vortices ofgas associated with strong electromagnetic activity, are visible asdark spots on the surface of the Sun but have never been sighted on theSun's poles or equator.
(A) are visible as darkspots on the surface of the Sun but have never been sighted on
(B) are visible as darkspots that never have been sighted on the surface of the Sun
(C) appear on the surfaceof the Sun as dark spots although never sighted at
(D) appear as dark spotson the surface of the Sun, although never having been sighted at
(E) appear as dark spotson the Sun's surface, which have never been sighted on

正确答案为A

OG解释
C. Although typically introduces a subordinate clause, which has a subject and a verb, but here there is no subject and sighted is not a complete verb.

解释中说although后面必须要有主谓，但是我不太明白A选项中but后面省略了主语，那么C选项能不能被视为省略了主谓呢？之前看到一种解释说，although省略要满足两个条件：1. 逻辑主语是主句主语；2. 从句谓语动词必须是be。那么这道题不是刚好符合，可以省略么？

我知道这道题从逻辑上来说although和but意思不一样，不可以用although替换成but，我只是想问问but和although的主谓省略问题

谢谢各位牛牛！！

-- by 会员双色鹿 (2012/2/28 11:22:09)

双色鹿 · 发表于 2012-2-28 13:21:18

噢~明白了，我忽略了现在完成时态~
那么还有一个问题，就是but的省略规则是什么呢？A选项中的but只省略了主语，那么but在哪些情况下是不是也可以省略谓语呢，还是说but之后根本就不需要一套完整的主谓结构？
谢谢~~

双色鹿 · 发表于 2012-2-28 13:22:56

LZ所说的although省略的规则是对的，如果单纯看although在C的用法，忽略C乱七八糟的错误的话。OG上的解释应该是这里的although完整的应该是although (sunspots have been) sighted。。。这种省略是体现不出原句子里的时态的。i.e. 原句里的谓语不是be，违背了那个省略规则。

-- by 会员 teddybearj4 (2012/2/28 13:01:44)

刚点了回复，不知道算不算回复上了，就再引用一遍~

噢~明白了，我忽略了现在完成时态~
那么还有一个问题，就是but的省略规则是什么呢？A选项中的but只省略了主语，那么but在哪些情况下是不是也可以省略谓语呢，还是说but之后根本就不需要一套完整的主谓结构？
谢谢~~

浅浅123 · 发表于 2012-2-28 15:26:49

刚看了一个以前的帖子
在GMAT中 and和butl连接两个分句，通常是要用逗号隔开的，分句中的主谓要补齐。
如果你不用逗号，BUT/AND连接的就必须是语法平行的结构，通常为名词或分句，此时可共用一个谓语，例子如下：
He said that he was busy today but that he would be free tomorrow.
还有But和although的省略是不一样的，but属于并列连词而although属于引导状语从句中的连词（这个说法可能不太专业）
although后的省略，+现在分词、过去分词、agj（是省略了主语和be的结果）
关于C的错误我比较认同的一种说法是，although不在句首时，最好加上逗号

双色鹿 · 发表于 2012-2-28 18:37:21

刚看了一个以前的帖子
在GMAT中 and和butl连接两个分句，通常是要用逗号隔开的，分句中的主谓要补齐。
如果你不用逗号，BUT/AND连接的就必须是语法平行的结构，通常为名词或分句，此时可共用一个谓语，例子如下：
He said that he was busy today but that he would be free tomorrow.
还有But和although的省略是不一样的，but属于并列连词而although属于引导状语从句中的连词（这个说法可能不太专业）
although后的省略，+现在分词、过去分词、agj（是省略了主语和be的结果）
关于C的错误我比较认同的一种说法是，although不在句首时，最好加上逗号

-- by 会员浅浅123 (2012/2/28 15:26:49)

非常感谢，最后一句话以前的内容你讲的好明白了~
不过对于最后一句话，为什么although不在句首的时候要加上逗号呢，这个是新东方总结的技巧，还是确实有这么个语法规则？

浅浅123 · 发表于 2012-2-28 19:02:15

看到以前的帖子在although引导状语从句且状语从句省略即although+现在分词/过去分词/adj时，前面必须要加上逗号，因为不加逗号，那现在分词/过去分词/adj有可能修饰although前的名词
例句：Along with the drop in producer prices announced yesterday, the strong retail sales figures released today seemlike it is indicative that the economy, although growing slowly, is not nearing a recession.
Along with the drop in producer prices announced yesterday, the strong retail sales figures released today seemlike it is indicative that the economy although growing slowly, is not nearing a recession.
你看如果不加逗号growing就会就近修饰economy，而第一句有逗号的情况先growing的逻辑主语为sales figures,这就引起了歧义
所以我觉得如果although后的状语从句为省略形式必须要接逗号，如果有完整的诸位结构就不需要
可能有错的地方欢迎指正

双色鹿 · 发表于 2012-2-28 19:31:29

看到以前的帖子在although引导状语从句且状语从句省略即although+现在分词/过去分词/adj时，前面必须要加上逗号，因为不加逗号，那现在分词/过去分词/adj有可能修饰although前的名词
例句：Along with the drop in producer prices announced yesterday, the strong retail sales figures released today seemlike it is indicative that the economy, although growing slowly, is not nearing a recession.
Along with the drop in producer prices announced yesterday, the strong retail sales figures released today seemlike it is indicative that the economy although growing slowly, is not nearing a recession.
你看如果不加逗号growing就会就近修饰economy，而第一句有逗号的情况先growing的逻辑主语为sales figures,这就引起了歧义
所以我觉得如果although后的状语从句为省略形式必须要接逗号，如果有完整的诸位结构就不需要
可能有错的地方欢迎指正

-- by 会员浅浅123 (2012/2/28 19:02:15)

不好意思噢，这次我没太看明白。。。我觉得例句中的although growing slowly应该是个插入语，确实应该修饰economy，这里面的although后面没有完整的主谓结构，但是你说会引起歧义？所以如果说存在歧义，这里是不是最好应该就没有逗号，刚好although修饰economy，但同时although后面为省略形式。不过我也不太理解，我觉得这里although当插入语，应该没有歧义吧？好纠结。。。可以把这道题的这两个选项的解释发一下嘛？

wangjieava23 · 发表于 2012-2-28 19:59:20

再怎么样，C项although后面也要接被动呀。不然就成了前面是一般现在时， + although, +一般过去式了。

双色鹿 · 发表于 2012-2-28 20:06:37

再怎么样，C项although后面也要接被动呀。不然就成了前面是一般现在时， + although, +一般过去式了。

-- by 会员 wangjieava23 (2012/2/28 19:59:20)

谢谢，我先开始以为是be被省略了，后来才知道have been是不能被省略的。。。
请问你知道although前面需要加逗号这么个语法点么？我以前不知道，是刚听楼上的浅浅说的，但是我不太理解

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