publication对申phd到底可以多重要？

zzmypster

I took GRE and achieved very high percentiles in V and Q, but poor in AWA.

那看来我的问题也不是没有牛推了。。你gmat考了多少？我730吸引不了top 10, 至少20-30左右应该还差不多的呀？
另外你确定Woochoel Shin是 coordinator? 是的话我就给他写信问问了

Believe or not, it is true. Two of my recommenders are econ ap with no publication and no degree from top 10. The other is a well establish econ prof in China, but definitely not a big name in marketing.

-- by 会员 zzmypster (2012/3/7 1:24:44)

-- by 会员 zhipei (2012/3/7 1:32:57)

zhipei

不是aggresive, 我知道zzmypster是在帮我分析原因，我也只是在说一个事实，top没这么简单特别是对master学生而言。
不过后来zzmypster说的我也非常同意了，under review under top是不能代表什么，但是代表了你的target, totally agree.

I can definitely understand your frustration since I'm in a similar or worse situation than you are, with all rejections and no offers yet. But what zzmypster said actually makes a lot of sense. Even though it may not be what you want to hear, he is trying to help and be very honest about what he thinks. Your reply sounds a little passive aggressive to me.


I've also heard similar thoughts from a professor that your publication will signal what kind of scholars you position yourself to be. So for top schools, a B level publication may hurt your chance.

多谢你的建议，我直到你是在给我找原因。
你说JBR不算什么，我先不做评论。 单单说你说你有paper under review on top 1 journal, 什么是undereview? 任何人都可以送paper到top 1上去试，这不代表任何东西，更无法证明你的能力。我想你应该知道under review 和 under revision的区别吧。

我知道我现在能力有限，要是才一个master学生随便就能top, 那top可能真不算什么了，差不多烂大街了吧。

Hi zhipei,

I do not think a JBR is A-. It used to be good. But now, it is tier-3 to me, if QME, JA, JR, JSR, JIM, IJRM etc. count as tier-2. I don't think it is more than a CV filler for faculty in any decent program. Moreover, anything below that would only hurt you.

I am making some bold claims here. Take it with a grain of salt: It seems you are not even trying to publish in top journals. It seems you (and your coauthor) are aiming at some mediocre achievement at most. If that's also the impression you left in committee, I'm afraid thing would not work very well for you. After all, all top 50 programs want to place their students in research school where only tier-1 and tier-2 count for tenure. I would rather have a strong working paper that I presented in major conferences and under review at tier-1 journal, which is basically what I have.

Please do not take it personal, as I'm trying to rationalize how it happened. FYI, I do not have any letter from big names either.

-- by 会员 zzmypster (2012/3/6 23:32:55)

-- by 会员 zhipei (2012/3/7 0:39:58)

-- by 会员 alipay (2012/3/7 1:48:32)

jangle

top conference + paper under review at A/A-的组合比单纯的B journal publication看起来要好些，至少代表别人初步认可了你是在主流学校看重的游戏规则和研究套路下来做一些东西的，先抛开质量不谈。top conference + paper under review at A/A-对于拿到几个top school的interview已经够了，如果还有牛推的话，可以进一步增加interview之后拿到offer的几率

Hi zhipei,

I do not think a JBR is A-. It used to be good. But now, it is tier-3 to me, if QME, JA, JR, JSR, JIM, IJRM etc. count as tier-2. I don't think it is more than a CV filler for faculty in any decent program. Moreover, anything below that would only hurt you.

I am making some bold claims here. Take it with a grain of salt: It seems you are not even trying to publish in top journals. It seems you (and your coauthor) are aiming at some mediocre achievement at most. If that's also the impression you left in committee, I'm afraid thing would not work very well for you. After all, all top 50 programs want to place their students in research school where only tier-1 and tier-2 count for tenure. I would rather have a strong working paper that I presented in major conferences and under review at tier-1 journal, which is basically what I have.

Please do not take it personal, as I'm trying to rationalize how it happened. FYI, I do not have any letter from big names either.

-- by 会员 zzmypster (2012/3/6 23:32:55)

woodenarrow

感谢各位的回答，尤其是zzmypster和zhipei的讨论，看得出来你们的惺惺相惜和认真努力，我想不仅对我，对很多看过这帖子的CDer都是很好的解答和思考起点。
回到问题本身，我想像zhipei这样有B level的publication对于master确实不容易，u deserve a good apple. 同时zzmypster和jangle等其他几个人说的其实也有道理，如果有连B都不是的publication，或者过多B及B以下的publication，或者很low tier的conference proceeding，至少会让人质疑你的taste，对于非常rigorous, ambitious的top business school，会有不好的印象。
总之多谢，受益匪浅。希望包括zhipei在内的CDer都得偿所愿。

zirtek

申请的人不用纠结A了B了的。不要说B不好。你如果在中国，能够single author一篇JBR或者marketing letters，就秒杀所有申请人，甚至market上许多phd了。AB之分是对于phd找工作和tenure的人来说的。

A代表着一种思维方式，一种B里的大多数文章都没有的思想前卫而逻辑严谨（当然A中也不是大多数文章都能这样）。前面有人说得对，投A表示你认同这种思维方式。但这不代表你真正拥有它。而商学院需要的是你能证明你有这样的特质，即发A的可能性。这种特质，最好还是通过推荐信或者退而求其次的通过ps来表达。

所以我的观点是，有这种在写文章上纠结的时间和心思，不如静下心来多读点文章，厚积薄发。肚子里真的有东西了，无论是写ps，还是在conference或者面试的时候跟人交谈，都会自然而然的让人眼睛一亮的。

yesokhelp

申请的人不用纠结A了B了的。不要说B不好。你如果在中国，能够single author一篇JBR或者marketing letters，就秒杀所有申请人，甚至market上许多phd了。AB之分是对于phd找工作和tenure的人来说的。

A代表着一种思维方式，一种B里的大多数文章都没有的思想前卫而逻辑严谨（当然A中也不是大多数文章都能这样）。前面有人说得对，投A表示你认同这种思维方式。但这不代表你真正拥有它。而商学院需要的是你能证明你有这样的特质，即发A的可能性。这种特质，最好还是通过推荐信或者退而求其次的通过ps来表达。

所以我的观点是，有这种在写文章上纠结的时间和心思，不如静下心来多读点文章，厚积薄发。肚子里真的有东西了，无论是写ps，还是在conference或者面试的时候跟人交谈，都会自然而然的让人眼睛一亮的。

-- by 会员 zirtek (2012/3/9 13:00:19)

说的虽然在理，但是现在水涨船高，以前申请工作的标准降成了现在申请top school phd admission的标准，以前拿tenure的标准现在降成了申请top school 工作ap的标准了。。。。。。更何况越来越多的国人杀向b-school.....各种强悍人士。。。。

zzmypster

Exactly! 现在不是几年前了。

申请的人不用纠结A了B了的。不要说B不好。你如果在中国，能够single author一篇JBR或者marketing letters，就秒杀所有申请人，甚至market上许多phd了。AB之分是对于phd找工作和tenure的人来说的。

A代表着一种思维方式，一种B里的大多数文章都没有的思想前卫而逻辑严谨（当然A中也不是大多数文章都能这样）。前面有人说得对，投A表示你认同这种思维方式。但这不代表你真正拥有它。而商学院需要的是你能证明你有这样的特质，即发A的可能性。这种特质，最好还是通过推荐信或者退而求其次的通过ps来表达。

所以我的观点是，有这种在写文章上纠结的时间和心思，不如静下心来多读点文章，厚积薄发。肚子里真的有东西了，无论是写ps，还是在conference或者面试的时候跟人交谈，都会自然而然的让人眼睛一亮的。

-- by 会员 zirtek (2012/3/9 13:00:19)

说的虽然在理，但是现在水涨船高，以前申请工作的标准降成了现在申请top school phd admission的标准，以前拿tenure的标准现在降成了申请top school 工作ap的标准了。。。。。。更何况越来越多的国人杀向b-school.....各种强悍人士。。。。

-- by 会员 yesokhelp (2012/3/10 2:55:24)

wojiaodubing

楼主有b杂志发表此乃大牛之中的超级牛哥，挺你，我是这么认为的，不是太好的学校有的博士毕业都没有发表物，你说你有b杂志，在申请者里面不是很牛吗？牛人盛典里的真牛人也。

judydongxueni

这么牛的贴子我以前怎么没有看到！

zzmypster

这是我写字最多的一个帖子，哈哈，可惜不算我的精华