欢迎指正：the same as 的用法总结

cissy · 发表于 2003-12-28 18:38:00

the  same ....as 的用法总结。

在lzm的语法总结中，认为在某些情况下the same as 与the same that等同。而本人在搜集了若干og中关于the same as 的用法与解释之后，总结如下，希望各位高手予以批评，指正。

1. the same as 与the same that 的差异
首先请看og174及其解释：
174. A letter by Mark Twain, written in nayear as The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn were published, reveals that Twain provided financial assistance to one of the first Black students at Yale Law School.
A.    A letter by Mark Twain, written in the same year as The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn were published,
B.    A letter by Mark Twain, written in the same year of publication as The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn,
C.    A letter by Mark Twain, written in the same year that The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn was published,
D.    Mark Twain wrote a letter in the same year as he published The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn that
E.    Mark Twain wrote a letter in the same year of publication as The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn that

In this sentence, the relative pronoun that should introduce the clause The Adventures ... published to make a relative clause modifying year. Also, the singular title of the novel demands a singular verb: for example, one would say, "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn is (not "are") a great book." Only C, the best choice, satisfies both requirements. Choices A and D incorrectly substitute as for that to introduce the relative clause. Choice A also mistakes the novel title for a plural (were published). B confuses meaning (written in the same year of publication as). E creates a similar confusion of meaning, and both D and E are awkward and imprecise because that is too far away from its referent (letter) to be clear.

解释中清楚而明白地指出：在此句中需要一个关系代词来引导定语从句修饰year。而A错误地用as代替that来引导这个从句.......。由此证明， the same as 与the same that的用法是有区别的。我认为这里由于A letter by Mark Twain, written in the same year that The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn was published,
注意前面一个的动词是written ，而后面一个的动词是published 所以这里只能用that来引导而不是as。
那么我们是否可以认为the same as 比 the  same  that 更要强调动作的相同性。
大家再看看og上其它的例子：由于下面各句中，the same as 比较的针对两个东东的动词都是一致的，所以as后面有大量的省略。
12 D.    Because new small businesses are growing and are seldom in equilibrium, formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity do not apply to them in the same way as to established big businesses.

25 explain:The third verb phrase in the series describing bulls and cows should have the same grammatical form as the first two.
这里as后the first two 省略了verb phrase 及should
54. Galileo was convinced that natural phenomena, as manifestations of the laws of physics, would appear the same to someone on the deck of a ship moving smoothly and uniformly through the water as to a person standing on land.

80. Salt deposits and moisture threaten to destroy the Mohenjo-Daro excavation in Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.
这里as后省略了did

109. Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

但在xdf补充题中
22. In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, that Halley’s comet will pass the next time it appears.
(A) that Halley’s comet will pass
(B) that Halley’s comet is to be passing
(C) as Halley’s comet
(D) as will Halley’s comet
(E) as Halley’s comet will do
d
因为此处动作都是是 pass，故可以用as来引导从句。只是前后的时态不一样，所以为了强调这一点， as后的will 没有省略。

zida · 发表于 2003-12-28 18:59:00

good job!

cissy · 发表于 2003-12-28 21:01:00

欢迎指正！

dreadpower · 发表于 2003-12-28 21:06:00

总结的真好！

   看前人的总结，加上你的总结，互补一下

   the same...as...连接的两部分更要求对称
   如果the same + 时点/时间段，通常后面都跟that从句

cissy · 发表于 2003-12-29 10:26:00

以下是引用dreadpower在2003-12-28 21:06:00的发言：
总结的真好！

   看前人的总结，加上你的总结，互补一下

   the same...as...连接的两部分更要求对称
   如果the same + 时点/时间段，通常后面都跟that从句

nod,nod !还是dreadpower的总结起到了画龙点睛的作用！

Snazzy · 发表于 2003-12-29 12:19:00

Thanks guys. I have a question.
1, "the same ... as" is preferable.
2, I don't think "the same ... that" is an idiom, on the contrary, here "that" just leads an attributive clause, modifying the previous word. eg.

A letter by Mark Twain, written in the same year that The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn was published, --------'that' modifies 'year'

Is Tom on the paper the same one that you went to school with? ----- 'that' modifies 'one'

Comment is more than welcome.

cissy · 发表于 2003-12-29 21:35:00

以下是引用Snazzy在2003-12-29 12:19:00的发言：
1, "the same ... as" is preferable.
2, I don't think "the same ... that" is an idiom, on the contrary, here "that" just leads an attributive clause, modifying the previous word. eg.

A letter by Mark Twain, written in the same year that The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn was published, --------'that' modifies 'year'

Is Tom on the paper the same one that you went to school with? ----- 'that' modifies 'one'

同意snazzy的看法，从og上的例子看确实ets比较倾向于the same as ,只是在不能用the same as 的情况下才用the same sth. that。

icekun · 发表于 2005-2-15 19:04:00

the same sth that指的是同一个东西，the same sth as指同一类，

Dennies · 发表于 2005-4-1 14:31:00

so now the 'that' just modifies the sth.'the same that' is not a idiom itself.

ecru · 发表于 2005-4-28 15:42:00

提出一点反对意见。

我认为xdf-22题不能选the same...as..的原因是that前面有逗号了。

而我在网上查到的the same as 和the same that的区别如下（来源是中学课件），我觉得还比较有道理：

The same as, the same that的辨析
1) the same …as有两个含义：“和……一样”，“像……那样”。
比如：She is wearing the same dress as she wore yesterday. 这句话有两个含义：a.她

穿着昨天穿的那件衣服。（就是同一件）b. 她穿的衣服像她昨天穿的那件。（即只是像，但

不是同一件）

2）the same…that为“和……一样的”。
比如：She is wearing the same dress that she wore yesterday.她穿着昨天穿的那件衣

服。即只等于the same …as的第一个含义。

3）若要表示“同一个”时，关系代词可用as,也可用that.若要表示“不是同一个”时，关系

代词只用as。

4)如果后面的从句不完整，从句谓语动词省略了，就只能用as,不用that。

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