compared to/with的逻辑主语问题

yiqing2012

没搜到关于compared to/with的逻辑主语总结的帖子，所以想让NN确认一下对不对~~

compared to/with放在句首时，逻辑主语是主句主语；
compared to/with放在句末时：如果比较的是数字，可以比较前面句子中任何位置的数量，不要求紧邻；
不知道总结的对不对？

另外我想问一下，如果放在句末比较的不是数字：A do sth, compared to/with B这个结构对吗？这里的compared to/with优先修饰A？如果中间没有逗号是不是就优先修饰sth?

yiqing2012

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泡沫HX

同问！！！！

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sisichen666

经常碰到的就两种用法：
1.对于compared with直接跟在逗号后面可以修饰逗号前面名词短语的核心词：In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not; in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000；
2.当然，Compared with也可以修饰前面整个分句，compared with后面的名词与主语比较：Today, more than 43 percent of Californians under the age of eighteen are Hispanic, compared with about 35 percent a decade ago.

在我看来根本就没逻辑主语的问题，只有比较对象是否合理的问题，人家其实就是一个比较词罢了，总结一下：
1.当主语比较时：A do/be sth, compared with B (+状语)
A和B应该是对等的名词or代词，通常为百分比/倍数，
2.当宾语比较时：（也就是就近修饰逗号前名词）：A do C1, compared with C2
C1C2为比较对象，要求与前面的rule一致，其实就是可比且对等
3.也曾有过as compared to/with的使用，其中as指代前句核心含义，要求to/with后的比较对象要对等

到底是比较谁，怎么比具体的都是看题，没有定数，只能靠逻辑语义

九尾

经常碰到的就两种用法：
1.对于compared with直接跟在逗号后面可以修饰逗号前面名词短语的核心词：In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not; in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000；
2.当然，Compared with也可以修饰前面整个分句，compared with后面的名词与主语比较：Today, more than 43 percent of Californians under the age of eighteen are Hispanic, compared with about 35 percent a decade ago.

在我看来根本就没逻辑主语的问题，只有比较对象是否合理的问题，人家其实就是一个比较词罢了，总结一下：
1.当主语比较时：A do/be sth, compared with B (+状语)
A和B应该是对等的名词or代词，通常为百分比/倍数，
2.当宾语比较时：（也就是就近修饰逗号前名词）：A do C1, compared with C2
C1C2为比较对象，要求与前面的rule一致，其实就是可比且对等
3.也曾有过as compared to/with的使用，其中as指代前句核心含义，要求to/with后的比较对象要对等

到底是比较谁，怎么比具体的都是看题，没有定数，只能靠逻辑语义

-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/11/22 22:36:49)

大神！ 我昨儿后续问你个问题 求解答啊！TAT

DUKB24

经常碰到的就两种用法：
1.对于compared with直接跟在逗号后面可以修饰逗号前面名词短语的核心词：In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not; in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000；
2.当然，Compared with也可以修饰前面整个分句，compared with后面的名词与主语比较：Today, more than 43 percent of Californians under the age of eighteen are Hispanic, compared with about 35 percent a decade ago.

在我看来根本就没逻辑主语的问题，只有比较对象是否合理的问题，人家其实就是一个比较词罢了，总结一下：
1.当主语比较时：A do/be sth, compared with B (+状语)
A和B应该是对等的名词or代词，通常为百分比/倍数，
2.当宾语比较时：（也就是就近修饰逗号前名词）：A do C1, compared with C2
C1C2为比较对象，要求与前面的rule一致，其实就是可比且对等
3.也曾有过as compared to/with的使用，其中as指代前句核心含义，要求to/with后的比较对象要对等

到底是比较谁，怎么比具体的都是看题，没有定数，只能靠逻辑语义

-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/11/22 22:36:49)

大神！ 我昨儿后续问你个问题 求解答啊！TAT

-- by 会员 九尾 (2012/11/22 22:55:04)

sisi回答吧别让人捉急

yiqing2012

经常碰到的就两种用法：
1.对于compared with直接跟在逗号后面可以修饰逗号前面名词短语的核心词：In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not; in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000；
2.当然，Compared with也可以修饰前面整个分句，compared with后面的名词与主语比较：Today, more than 43 percent of Californians under the age of eighteen are Hispanic, compared with about 35 percent a decade ago.

在我看来根本就没逻辑主语的问题，只有比较对象是否合理的问题，人家其实就是一个比较词罢了，总结一下：
1.当主语比较时：A do/be sth, compared with B (+状语)
A和B应该是对等的名词or代词，通常为百分比/倍数，
2.当宾语比较时：（也就是就近修饰逗号前名词）：A do C1, compared with C2
C1C2为比较对象，要求与前面的rule一致，其实就是可比且对等
3.也曾有过as compared to/with的使用，其中as指代前句核心含义，要求to/with后的比较对象要对等

到底是比较谁，怎么比具体的都是看题，没有定数，只能靠逻辑语义

-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/11/22 22:36:49)

sisi,这个问题是我考试之前问的~~结果一直没人回答，伤心了好一阵子呢。。。

关于compared with，它在句末我没有疑问，因为可以比较任意位置的数字，而且根据你2中的解释，根据语义也可以比较宾语。但是我记得当时提这个问题的时候题目是：Compared with A...,B do....（原句实在是找不到了），这里的compared with是不是应该和其它Ved...,A do..中的ved一样，逻辑主语是B啊？

abjure

经常碰到的就两种用法：
1.对于compared with直接跟在逗号后面可以修饰逗号前面名词短语的核心词：In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not; in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000；
2.当然，Compared with也可以修饰前面整个分句，compared with后面的名词与主语比较：Today, more than 43 percent of Californians under the age of eighteen are Hispanic, compared with about 35 percent a decade ago.

在我看来根本就没逻辑主语的问题，只有比较对象是否合理的问题，人家其实就是一个比较词罢了，总结一下：
1.当主语比较时：A do/be sth, compared with B (+状语)
A和B应该是对等的名词or代词，通常为百分比/倍数，
2.当宾语比较时：（也就是就近修饰逗号前名词）：A do C1, compared with C2
C1C2为比较对象，要求与前面的rule一致，其实就是可比且对等
3.也曾有过as compared to/with的使用，其中as指代前句核心含义，要求to/with后的比较对象要对等

到底是比较谁，怎么比具体的都是看题，没有定数，只能靠逻辑语义

-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/11/22 22:36:49)

sisi,这个问题是我考试之前问的~~结果一直没人回答，伤心了好一阵子呢。。。

关于compared with，它在句末我没有疑问，因为可以比较任意位置的数字，而且根据你2中的解释，根据语义也可以比较宾语。但是我记得当时提这个问题的时候题目是：Compared with A...,B do....（原句实在是找不到了），这里的compared with是不是应该和其它Ved...,A do..中的ved一样，逻辑主语是B啊？

-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/11/22 23:21:12)

我觉得可以与其他VED 一样。
补充
if you have a sentence that says "compared to/with" (or similar constructions, including "in comparison to", "as compared to/with", etc.), then the sentence CANNOT also use a comparison word, such as more, less, greater, prefer, better, worse, X times as much, etc.

to use "compared to/with", you just STATE statistics, without using any other comparison word.

examples:
this year's unemployment rate of 12% is three times as great compared to the rate in 1994 --> incorrect (redundant)

the correct way to write it:
this year's unemployment rate is 12%, compared to 4% in 1994
i.e., you just come out and SAY the statistics, and then give "compared to".


Revise http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/in-california-today-t5783.html
in fact, there is absolutely no difference whatsoever between "compare to" and "compare with". they are exactly the same.

if you have our OLD edition strategy guides -- two or three editions old, at this point (2007 edition) -- you will notice some mistaken information in those guides. at one point, we thought we had found evidence that these two idioms are used in different ways; however, upon further investigation, we have actually found no evidence to substantiate any sort of difference between the two.

sisichen666

经常碰到的就两种用法：
1.对于compared with直接跟在逗号后面可以修饰逗号前面名词短语的核心词：In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not; in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000；
2.当然，Compared with也可以修饰前面整个分句，compared with后面的名词与主语比较：Today, more than 43 percent of Californians under the age of eighteen are Hispanic, compared with about 35 percent a decade ago.

在我看来根本就没逻辑主语的问题，只有比较对象是否合理的问题，人家其实就是一个比较词罢了，总结一下：
1.当主语比较时：A do/be sth, compared with B (+状语)
A和B应该是对等的名词or代词，通常为百分比/倍数，
2.当宾语比较时：（也就是就近修饰逗号前名词）：A do C1, compared with C2
C1C2为比较对象，要求与前面的rule一致，其实就是可比且对等
3.也曾有过as compared to/with的使用，其中as指代前句核心含义，要求to/with后的比较对象要对等

到底是比较谁，怎么比具体的都是看题，没有定数，只能靠逻辑语义

-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/11/22 22:36:49)

sisi,这个问题是我考试之前问的~~结果一直没人回答，伤心了好一阵子呢。。。

关于compared with，它在句末我没有疑问，因为可以比较任意位置的数字，而且根据你2中的解释，根据语义也可以比较宾语。但是我记得当时提这个问题的时候题目是：Compared with A...,B do....（原句实在是找不到了），这里的compared with是不是应该和其它Ved...,A do..中的ved一样，逻辑主语是B啊？

-- by 会员 yiqing2012 (2012/11/22 23:21:12)

我觉得可以与其他VED 一样。
补充
if you have a sentence that says "compared to/with" (or similar constructions, including "in comparison to", "as compared to/with", etc.), then the sentence CANNOT also use a comparison word, such as more, less, greater, prefer, better, worse, X times as much, etc.

to use "compared to/with", you just STATE statistics, without using any other comparison word.

examples:
this year's unemployment rate of 12% is three times as great compared to the rate in 1994 --> incorrect (redundant)

the correct way to write it:
this year's unemployment rate is 12%, compared to 4% in 1994
i.e., you just come out and SAY the statistics, and then give "compared to".

"Compare to" Vs "Compare with":

"Compare to" is to suggest resemblances between things that have essentially DIFFERENT natures.

"Compare with" is to suggest resemblances between things that have essentially SIMILAR natures.


Examples:
In appearance, ripples in ocean water can be compared to frosting spread on a cake. -- Both sides of the comparison are totally different.
Despite their different capacities, RAM can be compared with ROM in that both involve memory storage. -- Both sides of the comparison belong to a similar category

-- by 会员 abjure (2012/11/23 0:25:05)

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