没想到Duke这么歧视国际学生

sunspotzsz

对于国际学生，第三难进的学校。  而且这只是国际学生，中国学生最难进。


http://poetsandquants.com/2011/11/19/indian-chinese-mba-applicants-face-higher-rejection/3/

fidelityfish

这个评论很中肯的

I studied at a top 10 US MBA. From what I’ve seen, I can say that the biggest reason adcoms don’t want to admit too many internationals, especially Indian and Chinese, is their employability after graduation. Most of the internationals at my school struggled to get internships and full-time offers and had to go back to their home countries after graduation. The reason, apart from the visa problem? Cultural fit and communication skills that hindered them during the recruiting process. Companies look for people who will fit in their organizations and many of these applicants couldn’t show that they would be able to integrate into the culture of a US company.

Another problem was verbal communication skills. Indians fared better here, but I saw many Chinese students who were really bright, but whose verbal skills were very poor. And all these people had GMAT scores of 740 and above, so the test does not tell the whole story. And bear in mind that these people were the ones that the school chose to admit, i.e. they were among the best applicants in the pool.

Being smart is not enough - companies want people who would be able to communicate seamlessly with their teammates on the job. It didn’t help that most of these students didn’t make the attempt to integrate into the broader student population and would cluster together with others of their own nationality. The ones that had the most success in the job search were those that had studied in the US for undergrad. Schools are just being pragmatic about their admissions process – they don’t want to admit people who will not be able to find jobs afterwards and that’s why they try to pick the most employable candidates. So if your English is not fluent close to the level of a native speaker (nobody cares about your accent as long as it’s easy to understand), I’d say you need to work on your verbal communication skills or be prepared to be disappointed during the recruiting process. This is reality and I saw many internationals admit it at the end of the program, when they decided to go back home, but now with a student debt of $150K.

pigman007

评论果然中肯

Netherlander

好帖子 顶起来 不过其实学校顾虑的还是毕业生能进什么样的公司 我觉得TOP学校出来的找工作应该不成问题 主要是能不能找到自己喜欢的工作 能不能找到的工作帮学校在日后拓展学校的人脉 这才是重要的

darkdoug

谈不上歧视国际学生吧，Duke每年招中国学生数量之多是出了名的，看看本区置顶的历年录取统计就知道了，只是因此而申请的中国学生更多而已。

infinitie

这都能扯到歧视上，中国这么大的人口基数，申请比例又比其他国家高。MBA本来就是强调diversity的学校，你要学校收多少中国学生才满意呢？况且duke已经算是招收中国学生较多的学校了。

HarrisZheng

这样还算歧视？

全招中国人，那跟北大biMBA有啥区别？

acerjeff

这个评论很中肯的

I studied at a top 10 US MBA. From what I’ve seen, I can say that the biggest reason adcoms don’t want to admit too many internationals, especially Indian and Chinese, is their employability after graduation. Most of the internationals at my school struggled to get internships and full-time offers and had to go back to their home countries after graduation. The reason, apart from the visa problem? Cultural fit and communication skills that hindered them during the recruiting process. Companies look for people who will fit in their organizations and many of these applicants couldn’t show that they would be able to integrate into the culture of a US company.

Another problem was verbal communication skills. Indians fared better here, but I saw many Chinese students who were really bright, but whose verbal skills were very poor. And all these people had GMAT scores of 740 and above, so the test does not tell the whole story. And bear in mind that these people were the ones that the school chose to admit, i.e. they were among the best applicants in the pool.

Being smart is not enough - companies want people who would be able to communicate seamlessly with their teammates on the job. It didn’t help that most of these students didn’t make the attempt to integrate into the broader student population and would cluster together with others of their own nationality. The ones that had the most success in the job search were those that had studied in the US for undergrad. Schools are just being pragmatic about their admissions process – they don’t want to admit people who will not be able to find jobs afterwards and that’s why they try to pick the most employable candidates. So if your English is not fluent close to the level of a native speaker (nobody cares about your accent as long as it’s easy to understand), I’d say you need to work on your verbal communication skills or be prepared to be disappointed during the recruiting process. This is reality and I saw many internationals admit it at the end of the program, when they decided to go back home, but now with a student debt of $150K.

-- by 会员 fidelityfish (2012/10/15 10:21:44)

The high score GMATTERs with poor verbal communication skill serve as such ironic examples that undermine the existing/stereotype standards that adcoms employ in evaluation. Those admitted might not embody the best ones in the pool. GMAT score tells very small part of the story of a candidate, letting alone staggering high numbers springing out every fall when people re-sit the test without limitation.

fatmoe

中国人考GMAT有机经应该是AO人尽皆知的事情了，但是人家也没办法，所以只能挑高分的……

gorgeous

这个也不能算歧视~~这是悲摧的现实

坦白说，我有同学DUKE毕业直接留在北美的MCK，也有遇到DUKE毕业工作没找到回国发展的。英语交流能力真的很重要~

所以从这点上来说，除了TOP10的学校，剩下的学校差距其实都不很大，只要自己有能力，social ability, communication ability，我相信即使是排名30的学校都能找到好工作，一切看个人能力。