OG13-35（DUKB24再来赐教下）

qiuhua01234567

哈哈，duke开始有江湖地位了。

-- by 会员 abjure (2012/9/8 19:17:31)

他一直都有。。

-- by 会员 映雪瑶渊 (2012/10/6 1:55:55)

这个果真可以有。。。

clover928

个人认为这个不可以改成earning啊。
RON说过关于SVO comma VING 作为modifier的时候：
one of the following is true:
(1) the "ing" action is SIMULTANEOUS with, and SUBORDINATE to, the main action;
- i ran down the sidewalk, flapping my arms wildly
(2) the "ing" action is a DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE CONSEQUENCE of the main action.
- i got a 100 on the most recent exam, bringing my average up to 91

（1）earn record by a time blablabla 不是JC held record 的siimultanesous action
(2)earn record by a time blablabla 不是JC held record 的immediate consequence，因为“拥有记录”的结果不可能是“这个记录是什么时间（or在什么情况下）拿的”

再说句子的intended meaning就是JC held record，ved修饰这个record是什么时候（or在什么情况下）拿的

个人意见。。open to discuss

DUKB24

个人认为这个不可以改成earning啊。
RON说过关于SVO comma VING 作为modifier的时候：
one of the following is true:
(1) the "ing" action is SIMULTANEOUS with, and SUBORDINATE to, the main action;
- i ran down the sidewalk, flapping my arms wildly
(2) the "ing" action is a DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE CONSEQUENCE of the main action.
- i got a 100 on the most recent exam, bringing my average up to 91

（1）earn record by a time blablabla 不是JC held record 的siimultanesous action
(2)earn record by a time blablabla 不是JC held record 的immediate consequence，因为“拥有记录”的结果不可能是“这个记录是什么时间（or在什么情况下）拿的”

再说句子的intended meaning就是JC held record，ved修饰这个record是什么时候（or在什么情况下）拿的

个人意见。。open to discuss

-- by 会员 clover928 (2012/10/13 15:11:29)

http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-761205-2-1.html

clover928

个人认为这个不可以改成earning啊。
RON说过关于SVO comma VING 作为modifier的时候：
one of the following is true:
(1) the "ing" action is SIMULTANEOUS with, and SUBORDINATE to, the main action;
- i ran down the sidewalk, flapping my arms wildly
(2) the "ing" action is a DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE CONSEQUENCE of the main action.
- i got a 100 on the most recent exam, bringing my average up to 91

（1）earn record by a time blablabla 不是JC held record 的siimultanesous action
(2)earn record by a time blablabla 不是JC held record 的immediate consequence，因为“拥有记录”的结果不可能是“这个记录是什么时间（or在什么情况下）拿的”

再说句子的intended meaning就是JC held record，ved修饰这个record是什么时候（or在什么情况下）拿的

个人意见。。open to discuss

-- by 会员 clover928 (2012/10/13 15:11:29)

http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-761205-2-1.html

-- by 会员 DUKB24 (2012/10/13 15:17:56)

肥D你是让我看OG30题？
ving在这个句子中确实是provide extra info，但是这个是“主系表，ving”
ving肯定会修饰到那个shield

tzhou7

我也同意你的看法～～～～～～～

Tranciy

好贴留个名，豁然开朗

yakev6

个人认为这个不可以改成earning啊。
RON说过关于SVO comma VING 作为modifier的时候：
one of the following is true:
(1) the "ing" action is SIMULTANEOUS with, and SUBORDINATE to, the main action;
- i ran down the sidewalk, flapping my arms wildly
(2) the "ing" action is a DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE CONSEQUENCE of the main action.
- i got a 100 on the most recent exam, bringing my average up to 91

（1）earn record by a time blablabla 不是JC held record 的siimultanesous action
(2)earn record by a time blablabla 不是JC held record 的immediate consequence，因为“拥有记录”的结果不可能是“这个记录是什么时间（or在什么情况下）拿的”

再说句子的intended meaning就是JC held record，ved修饰这个record是什么时候（or在什么情况下）拿的

个人意见。。open to discuss

-- by 会员 clover928 (2012/10/13 15:11:29)

http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-761205-2-1.html

-- by 会员 DUKB24 (2012/10/13 15:17:56)

肥D你是让我看OG30题？
ving在这个句子中确实是provide extra info，但是这个是“主系表，ving”
ving肯定会修饰到那个shield

-- by 会员 clover928 (2012/10/13 15:36:22)

小顶下猫，这点我同意用ving不是很好。

JC hold a record, earning...
1. 主语JC和earn之间是主谓关系没问题
2. 但是earning 能修饰hold吗？
--能回答how，when，why，where等修饰动作的问题吗？
--即使你说能修饰how he hold a record, 那么 earning what？record ----对啦，归根到底还是要说earning record的，那么为啥不用earned 直接修饰record来的简单易读呢？

yakev6

这题争议颇多。
baby版主认为不能作为状语，参见
http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-740934-1-1.html?userid=-1&extparms=ThreadCatalogID%3d0
dukb24版主认为可以作为状语，见本帖。
Patrick_GMATFix 也认为可以做状语。http://www.beatthegmat.com/rhetorical-construction-diction-t117466.html
I don't have a problem with "earning"; it can introduce a modifier that gives additional information about the preceding clause. I'm not sure why the official explanation doesn't like "earning" because I don't understand the justification given.
My problem with C is the use of "where" to refer to "a time".
My problem with D is the use of "in which" to refer to "a time" and the presence of "such" in "so X such that..."
What I can say however is that if the author wishes for the underlined portion to describe records specifically, 'earning' is not well suited because -ing introduced modifiers that follow a comma typically modify the entire preceding clause or the subject at the head of that clause. To modify the noun just before the comma (ie "records"), the modifier should begin with a relative pronoun (ie "which were earned at a time..."), a noun (ie "a feat accomplished at a time...") or an adjective/past partiple ("earned at a time...") -Patrick

我个人比较倾向于babybearmm的理解。理由见36楼

qiuhua01234567

这题争议颇多。
baby版主认为不能作为状语，参见
http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-740934-1-1.html?userid=-1&extparms=ThreadCatalogID%3d0
dukb24版主认为可以作为状语，见本帖。
Patrick_GMATFix 也认为可以做状语。http://www.beatthegmat.com/rhetorical-construction-diction-t117466.html
I don't have a problem with "earning"; it can introduce a modifier that gives additional information about the preceding clause. I'm not sure why the official explanation doesn't like "earning" because I don't understand the justification given.
My problem with C is the use of "where" to refer to "a time".
My problem with D is the use of "in which" to refer to "a time" and the presence of "such" in "so X such that..."
What I can say however is that if the author wishes for the underlined portion to describe records specifically, 'earning' is not well suited because -ing introduced modifiers that follow a comma typically modify the entire preceding clause or the subject at the head of that clause. To modify the noun just before the comma (ie "records"), the modifier should begin with a relative pronoun (ie "which were earned at a time..."), a noun (ie "a feat accomplished at a time...") or an adjective/past partiple ("earned at a time...")  -Patrick

我个人比较倾向于babybearmm的理解。理由见36楼

-- by 会员 yakev6 (2012/11/26 12:36:54)

我来顶顶吧。。希望你考试顺利

stt300

顶，本来认为自己掌握v-ing还不错，不过今天看到这个帖子发现还有理解不到位的地方啊。我想再问下ron的例子中： examples:
Joe broke the window, angering his father. -->this sentence makes sense,because it correctly implies that Joe "angeredhis father".
the window was broken by Joe, angering his father.-->this sentence doesn't make sense, because it implies that the window(i.e., notJoe himself) angered Joe's father.
这个是表结果的，逻辑主语是前面整句，我觉得这样说可以啊。为何ron说是the window？而且我之前也一直理解是前面整句，认为如果整句意思合理就可以comma+ing，没有考虑过主语。且og的例子23.Once designed withits weight concentrated in a metal center, the discus used in trackcompetition is now lined withlead around the perimeter, thereby improving stabilityin flight and resulting inlonger throws.
这个表结果前面的主语也是discus啊，discus不可能自己improving和resulting啊，是前面一整句的意思使得后面的结果产生。所以ron说的这个例子很不理解啊！

my brother tricked me, disappointing Dad -->implies that dad is disappointed in my brother for tricking me (and notnecessarily disappointed in me for being tricked).
I was tricked by my brother, disappointing Dad -->implies that dad is disappointed in me because i fell for my brother's trick(and not that he's disappointed in my brother for tricking me).
这个2个例子也是表结果，也是不太理解还有主语不同的区分，按照之前表结果的说法前面一整句的意思的结果是disappointing Dad，那应该都是一个含义“我的哥哥戏弄我”，所以“爸爸很失望”。还存在如上的区分吗？