[求助]疑惑一题 关于While的疑问

michenny

in the last year是可以用现在完成时的:

FORM Present Perfect:

USE 1 Unspecified Time Before Now"

NOTICE "Last year" and "in the last year" are very different in meaning. "Last year" means the year before now. "In the last year" means from 365 days ago until now.

Plus in the last few months...those usage we are familiar with.

Besides, "with" here may suggest a simultaneous action, while "while" here clearly displays the causal relationship and the chronicle sequence in the setence"the cost has plummeted in the last year, people are now using..."

After ponderance, E may be better here.

zxz1818

我的感觉, WITH表示伴随，而该理由发生在last year, 不适合with

ericlijg

我的一些看法：

1.with 独立主格句，不需逻辑主语一致，比如：

Currently just one prototype antenna has been built on the site, with building work on the rest due to commence in 2008. (building work on the rest prototype antenna is due to commence in 2008, 逻辑主语不会是 one prototype, from TIME)

Those who have visited Grand Canyon have typically been able to see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colours marking the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk. (天山题, different colours 逻辑主语不会是those who have visited)

Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging like socks on a clothesline.

2. 由于句子价格很像monkey的那句，我一开始也选了D.  但我觉得D应该是不对的。独立主格因该表示一种伴随状态，而该句愿意应强调一种因果关系，所以用独立主格不合适

maggiecookies

以下是引用ericlijg在2006-8-28 20:17:00的发言：

我的一些看法：

1.with 独立主格句，不需逻辑主语一致，比如：

Currently just one prototype antenna has been built on the site, with building work on the rest due to commence in 2008. (building work on the rest prototype antenna is due to commence in 2008, 逻辑主语不会是 one prototype, from TIME)

Those who have visited Grand Canyon have typically been able to see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colours marking the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk. (天山题, different colours 逻辑主语不会是those who have visited)

Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging like socks on a clothesline.

2. 由于句子价格很像monkey的那句，我一开始也选了D.  但我觉得D应该是不对的。独立主格因该表示一种伴随状态，而该句愿意应强调一种因果关系，所以用独立主格不合适

我刚好在看BY的独立主格11 五

         1. 独立主格结构在句首或句尾, 起状语作用, 表伴随原因, 条件, 状态等.

          3. with 型独立主格, 与主句形成紧密的逻辑联系, 形式为:

            with + n. + -ed/-ing, with +n.+adj; with + n. + 介词短语

所以, D没有错. 但如果没有D, 我想我会选E, E 我也觉得没有语法错误. 同意while 不是转折, 是对比.

我花了两个小时看帖, 真希望有人在GMATPREP上碰到这题, 给我个说法....

ericlijg

我不是很信白勇的东西。你能找到另外一句with做独立主格的，表示因果关系的句子吗？GMAT的或其他西方主要媒体的都可以

kathy8446

强帖留名啊：P

综上所述，D的with肯定是表示“在……情况下”的独立主格结构，而E也肯定不能是转折之意。

但是还剩两个问题，当while表示when的含义时候，能不能接现在完成时？ 另外如果像前面NN说的in the last year一定要用现完的话，那D的plummeting是不是有错？

PS 我现在已经俨然是倒D派。。

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-9-7 17:07:02编辑过]

xiaowan

我选了D，很希望能找个理由说自己错了，然后记住这个错误点！不过现在却更加坚持D了！

E的转折意看完这么长的贴应该没人再坚持了（加拿大那位GG实在是说的很清楚），而While表示时间点是不能与完成时相连的，这一点tianwan GG也早就作了阐述。现在又有人说while表示对比，我查了Longman和手上的《大学英语语法》发现当while表示对比时，多是放在句中，而非句首的，这点从句意的理解上也是很合适的，希望有谁找到while表对比的例子时，赶紧贴上来。同时，要是表示对比，则含义变成，“人们在收费低的时段打电话，而服务费低，手机普遍。”似乎也说不过去吧。

而D是地地道道的独立主格，哪有什么逻辑主语是主句主语的问题呢？表示伴随原因，with+n.+分词而且平行对称，含义是，因为服务费从上一年起就一直下降（这里可以把分词理解成一个持续的动作），手机也日渐普及，所以人们很普遍的在那些服务费低的时段打电话。感觉清楚明了。

 

 

ecochem

看了15页，不说点什么也对不起自己

这道题目我选的是D

有人说D用了plummeting用在in the last year前面不好。

现在来看E，支持E的说用了完成时态是表示以前直到现在，

那D用plummeting说明一直从过去持续到现在的进行的动作也说得过去

总不能使用这种GMAT最忌讳的having plummeted来表完成吧

xizzhu

以下是引用tianwan在2004-6-21 22:44:00的发言：

Because of wireless service costs plummeting in the last year, and as mobile phones are increasingly common, many people now using their mobile phones to make calls across a wide region at night and on weekends, when numerous wireless companies provide unlimited airtime for a relatively small monthly fee.

A. Because of wireless service costs plummeting in the last year, and as mobile phones are increasingly common, many people

B. As the cost of wireless service plummeted in the last year and as mobile phones became increasingly common, many people

C. In the last year, with the cost of wireless service plummeting, and mobile phones have become increasingly common, there are many people

D. With the cost of wireless service plummeting in the last year and mobile phones becoming increasingly common, many people are

E. While the cost of wireless service has plummeted in the last year and mobile phones are increasingly common, many people are

The key is E. Why not D?

My two cents: 

The key point is how to understand "when" in this sentence.  

 when = even though something is true  in this sentence;

and while= in spite of the fact that = although

 背镜是: 没有降价前, people 都在at night and on weekends打电话 (unlimited time 免计时的时间内打电话).   

E 是说, 尽管都已降价了, people 还是都在at night and on weekends打电话 (在unlimited time 免计时的时间内打电话). 

前题(月费减了)变了, 但结果没变(还是都在at night and on weekends打电话)

Thus, E beats D; E wins!

D might be the best if the sentence were:

With the cost of wireless service plummeting in the last year and mobile phones becoming increasingly common, many people are now using their mobile phones to make calls across a wide region at any time rather than only at night and on weekends, when numerous wireless companies provide unlimited airtime for a relatively small monthly fee.

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-9-28 14:02:40编辑过]

kathytc

可以时态不一样的，ＯＧ１１ＴＨ里面就有一个ＦＵＮＧＩ的题目前面是过去时态，后面是现在进行时