谈谈北清复交科与国外学校谁更牛

zetsubo

真蛋疼……

wangxianming

Even US top 10 you can not say it's better than top 4 in Mainland. No matter in US and Asia, if you are from Tsinghua or Pku, then it will give you a very big added value. From the other aspect,  the student who graduated from these schools actually have stronger ability than students from other school no matter in study or working. In Job market, hr definitely respect top 4 (actually top 2 much much better). In new york, if you heard some one had found a good job in top financial company by himeself(not by family) then 80% percent he is from the top2. Goldman in new york had a trading desk strategy program every year, most of the people in it is from Tsinghua or IIT(india). Goldman asia 2009 ibd summer program had 8 people, 4 from ivy in us, 4 from each of top 4 in mainland china. Actually, no one care about like so called high ranked school in uk,au,nz, the fact is most the student in the normal school in these countries can not even got admitted by a normal school in china mainland.

Besides, even the ivy under students are seek opportunities in asia these days, if you are chinese, even you are in top company in us, you are just doing trivial things, dont expect the white guys let you do the core business. So please dont think that new york position is better than hk. Now, it is totally different

小可可子懿

想听听真正的HR发话。。。。。。。别的不多言。。。。。

-- by 会员 小可可子懿 (2011/4/28 12:25:26)

去宣讲会问不就行了...比如复旦的宣讲会是可以混进去的

-- by 会员 AnttiZhang (2011/4/28 12:32:21)

哎。。。你木有明白我的意思。。。大家都在讨论HR如何如何选人，却没有一个是权威的声音，so。。。何必这样一争高下呢。。。能得到啥。。。。非top5的，各自分析下自己的心理吧。。。

鱼骨头

Even US top 10 you can not say it's better than top 4 in Mainland. No matter in US and Asia, if you are from Tsinghua or Pku, then it will give you a very big added value. From the other aspect,  the student who graduated from these schools actually have stronger ability than students from other school no matter in study or working. In Job market, hr definitely respect top 4 (actually top 2 much much better). In new york, if you heard some one had found a good job in top financial company by himeself(not by family) then 80% percent he is from the top2. Goldman in new york had a trading desk strategy program every year, most of the people in it is from Tsinghua or IIT(india). Goldman asia 2009 ibd summer program had 8 people, 4 from ivy in us, 4 from each of top 4 in mainland china. Actually, no one care about like so called high ranked school in uk,au,nz, the fact is most the student in the normal school in these countries can not even got admitted by a normal school in china mainland.

Besides, even the ivy under students are seek opportunities in asia these days, if you are chinese, even you are in top company in us, you are just doing trivial things, dont expect the white guys let you do the core business. So please dont think that new york position is better than hk. Now, it is totally different

-- by 会员 wangxianming (2011/4/28 12:55:25)

A lot of people who get US top 10 admissions (like U Chicago, Duke, or top LACs like Amherst and Williams? i suppose) simply give up their chances of getting DIRECTLY into Chinese TOP 4 (especially those who live in big cities). I even heard people give up  TOP2 for schools like UVA and UNC.
In a way, some students in PKU or THU get the chance because others give them up. It's not fair to say  TOP2 students have better ability than TOP 10 students in US. BTW, you can never deny that the education quality in US can definitely give a beat to those in China. Four years' education matters  a lot.
For the stats you've listed, just remember: how many Chinese students are there in TOP10 US  or ivy league (undergraduate level), and how many are there in SEM of Chinese TOP4. Compare at the percentage. I believe that top undergraduate students in US can get many more chances of  equal quality as the Goldman one you've mentioned, but no way for TOP2 students I guess.

quhaoshazi

麻烦大家讨论时多加点限定词，比如北大清华的经院管院与外国学校谁更牛？

很多人自己不是清华北大的，貌似更喜欢站在HR的角度去评判什么学校出来的学生好。

我有二十几个同学在清华北大，一些的确拿到了top10的offer，也有很多拿到的是top50甚至没有名气的学校。
他们讨论很多的可能是学术研究能力怎么样，有没有很牛的导师。往往不是以后进什么公司比较好，怎样钱途比较好。
很多北大清华的学生自己都很满意自己的选择，所以也不需要其他人为他们“扼腕叹息”

弱弱得说下自己的观点，并不觉得国内top4的学生能力就有多优秀，同样出去找工作，月薪below average的也大有人在，人渣也很多。很多同学出国留学绝不是为了个牌子而已，留学的机会能让我们学到很多更重要的。

JQ123

lss说的很靠谱。不只是uva（本身就是很好的学校），5 60位的本科很多人也放弃top4了。自己有自己的追求，4 50位的本科本身教学质量已经很好，但凡选择去的要么有更大的追求或者是学术上的需要，top10美本某种程度上说比国内top2还要难进的多（名额过少等,例如Harvard往年只要个位数的中国人）

就周围情况来看，如果拿到top10美本录取，放弃top2基本上是差不多的。

鱼骨头

难度的话看个人水平。有些进美本TOP10的不一定考的上TOP2（因为没法两头兼顾），但在我认识人的范围内，进美本TOP10的同学无论是学术水平还是能力，都比我在国内班上能上TOP2的同学高出了不少档次。视野和深度就更不用说了。

鱼骨头

额 我觉得这个贴得限定下关键词。
US TOP10 school 是否指的是undergraduate level。不然样本都重叠完了...

yasuatdrum

学校咋样其实是浮云 关键是你出去了才能见识这个世界 要不永远都是井底之蛙

JQ123

+1,这一点应该说无悬念。
为什么那么多人纠结高考分数...纯论高考，学生努力，勤勤恳恳认真3年，去个一等院校是顺水推舟的事情。而对于本身就在好高中的同学来说，去国内顶级很简单。人生是长跑，比的不是一时一时，一时不如人是很正常的，承认差距就好，到40岁再辩高低也不迟。

难度的话看个人水平。有些进美本TOP10的不一定考的上TOP2（因为没法两头兼顾），但在我认识人的范围内，进美本TOP10的同学无论是学术水平还是能力，都比我在国内班上能上TOP2的同学高出了不少档次。视野和深度就更不用说了。

-- by 会员 鱼骨头 (2011/4/28 14:52:00)