求nn帮忙理解下这题,答案并不能让人信服,求反驳

powers

hehe it's all good

littlexian

"It is impossible for a country to remain repressive when telecommunication equipment is widely available to the population of that country." Let's put it in this way -> "When telecommunication equipment is widely available to the population of that country, it is impossible for a country to remain repressive" Again, change it a bit -> "Once telecommunication equipment is widely available to the population of that country, it is impossible for a country to remain repressive"  

B无非就是把:
It is impossible for a country to remain repressive WHEN telecommunication equipment is widely available to the population of that country.
改成
It is impossible for a country to remain repressive ONCE telecommunication equipment is widely available to the population of that country.

就变成assumption了? 你又把我绕进去了

如果是这样的话我真理解不了,我死记吧....

-- by 会员 powers (2011/4/3 14:48:49)

No No. I did this way just tried to explain the "when" is like "once". All of the three sentences I put in line above are the same.
translate to Chinese is, like you said, "只要成立即怎么怎么样". That's why I said effective is included in available issue.
Because it only said "只要 available, 即 the country would not be able to continue repressing".
"只要 available" is the only thing those companies think about. They did not think about how(at least it appears like this here). Since "只要 available" is the only issue, the assumption should be somthing relate to it.

Joseph_lin

发表下个人的看法，本体的前提telecommunication equipment is widely available to the population of thatcountry可以让S国不remain repressive，结论是telecommunication equipment 不该被禁止。D选项中有说telecommunication equipment 在所有的出口产品中让S国不remain repressive是最有效的，但是文中说IMPOSSIBLE TO REMAIN REPRESSIVE,即有效的衡量标准是100%，但是如果出口的产品中其他产品的有效程度都小于10%，但telecommunication equipment的有效程度是10%，虽然这个telecommunication equipment确实是所有出口产品中最有效的，但是还是不能说明能让S过IMPOSSIBLE TO REMAIN REPRESSIVE,因为要达到IMPOSSIBLE TO REMAIN REPRESSIVE的有效程度应该要为100%，所以D并不正确。所以D或许可以做一个支持的条件，但是不能做一个假设的条件（必要的条件），这也是我说的我现在做假设题遇到的一个问题，那就是有的时候会去选一个支持的答案，而假设题要求我们选择的是一个必要条件。

powers

你的说意思我大概看明白了,你说的10%, 意思是,只是相对而言比较有效,其实作用不大. 对吧.

但是,其实最有效的就是100%的, 如果你知道benchmark的话就应该懂的. 其他的东西的有效性都应该参照都最有效的比例的讨论. 貌似讨论这个和题目无关...

如果总的有效量要100%, 就算100%普及x0%的效果=0的总效果,也没用,除非你默认他的效果是100%,那么这个默认是不是就是假设呢? B没有讨论而D讨论了

D说最有效果,那么就算你说的可能只有10%的效果, 但是题目里面说了it is impossible for a country to remain repressive when telecommunication equipment is widely available to the population of that country, 别说10%就算只有0.000001%只要我有他说的这条,我就敢argue了, 因为这玩意起码是有效的,而且还最有效的.

我觉得我们的争论到现在,我纠结于说话的人说话的时候有没有一个完美的逻辑, 他说的话背后有没有理论的支持,他敢不敢这么说.至于话说了以后是个什么情况他管不着.就像爱婴斯坦只要在他的体系内表述严谨滴水不漏,你们能不能造出超越光速的机器他也不管 (汗,,我不是自比大师...不敢) 而ls诸位还有出题的人,主要是看最终结果.S国最终的结局.

可能是方向不一样吧

powers

我的一直以来的目标是让这个公司怎么有效的说服政府,让政府不要ban他,而题目考的是怎么才能制止暴政. 方向偏了