大家帮我出出主意吧～Ross vs. Tepper

Cecilia_tor

defintiely wasn't happy to see Ross moved down on the list, makes my decision harder...
but overall Ross still has a strong reputation, and that wouldn't change rapidly based on ranking : )

Ross排名为什么下滑了呀？换了新的Dean前途不知怎样呢？

-- by 会员 gracie27 (2011/3/16 0:41:24)

Cecilia_tor

........
are there lots Ross WL?
I wish I can make my decision easily, it could make one more person happier, either Ross or Tepper : )

Tepper吧，Ross WL就更有希望了

-- by 会员 草稿纸 (2011/3/15 17:50:08)

Cecilia_tor

I was thinking the first job after graduate from MBA would be more imporant on my resume than the school I attended...
but, you are right....the name of the school will be marked on my resume forever...
maybe I'm a bit crazy thinking about attending Tepper....but i felt I was already part of the school after my campus visit....so they definitely did a good job on promoting the school!
>.<
I'm going nuts...

(and i didn't think i'd have a chance with Ross when i applied .... : P ) I'm blessed to have offers from both schools

恩...这个问题要考虑到 你读MBA图什么？MBA的价值在哪里？

在我看来reputation是No.1 Priority，因为这个学校的名字会在你的简历上呆一辈子，这个太重要了。至于人性化与否、pay how much attention to students等等因素固然也很重要，但是相对来说不能是决定性的。。。供你参考~~

-- by 会员 bigjoe (2011/3/15 15:35:33)

reachkevinwang

Hi Cecilia,

First of all, congratz on your offers from two great schools!  

I am a Chinese/Canadian applicant in a similar situation.  I also got in at CMU in R1 with $10K/ year scholarship.  My situation is a bit different as I also got in at Ivey Western Ontario with a full scholarship (and waiting for a few other US schools in R2).  However, I work at TELUS in Vancouver and I know a number of Ross alums & CMU alums so hopefully I can provide some info for you to consider (what I learned first hand about Ross/big school vs. small school in general):

A few comments (from a Canadian Ross senior alum, Director at TELUS):

1.  Ross is a big school, so it has all the positives and "negatives" of a big school.  Ross has a better reputation than CMU in the US for sure.  That's due to the fact that CMU has a smaller alum base.  However, Ross is challenging with regards to recruiting, especially for international students.  It is generally less personalized, so in order to stand out it is challenging.  Here are his verbatim comments about Ross vs Ivey vs CMU:

"Bigger fish in asmaller pond helps a lot in securing a consulting job – if you believe it iseasier for you to stand out at Ivey, then you may get more interviews (justgetting the interviews is not easy at a big school)Consulting firms mayrecruit less people from Ivey than US schools but proportionate to the totalschool size, it’s probably the same %.
Agree with comment onmore limited opptys for Canadians in US"


2.  When choosing between schools, I asked a number of VPs (BCG alum, Tuck grads).  Their thoughts are almost consistent: Is Your Target School a strong enough brand where I want to work to be worth thecost delta?”  For example in my case right now, their thought is that IF my goal is to come back to Canada in the long term, then take the Ivey full ride offer.  But if I am committed to go to the US, CMU, or any of the other schools that I am waiting, is a great choice.  Don't look at the money in this case then.

3. Each school is a "core school" to certain companies.  For example, CMU is particularly popular among IT/Telecom/Tech/Operations firms - Amazon, Booz, MS, ATK Consulting, all consider CMU as a "Core" school.  So if your focus is in that kind of companies, then CMU will be a good choice.  As a contrast, Ross is a lot more diverse I think, and will likely have more opportunities in other industries.  

When I was thinking about it, it's almost like comparing U of T to Waterloo, a very popular debate among Chinese undergrad students - U of T has a better general brand/overall reputation, but Waterloo is top notch in Tech/Comp Sci.

Anyways, those are my two cents for now.  Hopefully they help a bit.

Looking forward to continue the discussion as well.  Can't type Chinese as well, but would love to hear what others have to say!

Take care,

Kevin

bigjoe

Tepper，Darden，Tuck是所有MBA中，最利于外国人在美国就业的学校。

-- by 会员 summit (2011/3/15 22:02:51)

弱问，这是为什么啊？

HENRYXXH

TEPPER的确是AMAZON的CORE SCHOOL，据说一大把

ceciliator

Thanks Kevin!
What a coincident. I went to Western for my undergraduate  : ) and I definitely enjoyed it, a smaller program comparing to UofT - smaller class size, school pays attention to students' needs, and professors know each of his/her student.
and I think that's the style I like, or I'm used to. and that's probably why I feel attached to Tepper.


When I was debating B-school Canadian vs U.S., I went to Ivey, Queen's Rotman's info session, and I just wasn't impressed by either the school alumni or its students. (not saying they are not outstanding.) Just the style of Canada. Everyone is so laid-back comparing to up-beat Americans : )
I like the energy in U.S. schools.
So my decision b/t Canadian and U.S school was based on personal feeling, I want the experience of earning MBA from a prestige program.
Being a girl...I think my long term focus will definitely be family (don't let Forte know...otherwise, they may take back my scholarship >.<) so financially, it probably doesn't make much sense for me to pay 100K tuition to the U.S. school. but I just cannot resist it!


During my campus visit, I definitely felt that Tepper is Amazon's core school, and they are very proud of it. For me, I don't have any science/ engineering background. considering more than 50% of Tepper's students come from a science/ engineering background, it may not be a good fit for me. (like when hiring company going to Tepper, they probably are looking for students who have a engineering background...that's what the school is known for, right?)


I like the diversity of Ross, gives me more choice, and meeting people from different background. especially I want to focus on Strategy, general management, brand management.


After write down all these,,,I feel like i've just convinced myself about going to Ross. did I?
ps: Telus is a great company !

Hi Cecilia,

First of all, congratz on your offers from two great schools!  

I am a Chinese/Canadian applicant in a similar situation.  I also got in at CMU in R1 with $10K/ year scholarship.  My situation is a bit different as I also got in at Ivey Western Ontario with a full scholarship (and waiting for a few other US schools in R2).  However, I work at TELUS in Vancouver and I know a number of Ross alums & CMU alums so hopefully I can provide some info for you to consider (what I learned first hand about Ross/big school vs. small school in general):

A few comments (from a Canadian Ross senior alum, Director at TELUS):

1.  Ross is a big school, so it has all the positives and "negatives" of a big school.  Ross has a better reputation than CMU in the US for sure.  That's due to the fact that CMU has a smaller alum base.  However, Ross is challenging with regards to recruiting, especially for international students.  It is generally less personalized, so in order to stand out it is challenging.  Here are his verbatim comments about Ross vs Ivey vs CMU:

"Bigger fish in asmaller pond helps a lot in securing a consulting job – if you believe it iseasier for you to stand out at Ivey, then you may get more interviews (justgetting the interviews is not easy at a big school)Consulting firms mayrecruit less people from Ivey than US schools but proportionate to the totalschool size, it’s probably the same %.
Agree with comment onmore limited opptys for Canadians in US"


2.  When choosing between schools, I asked a number of VPs (BCG alum, Tuck grads).  Their thoughts are almost consistent: Is Your Target School a strong enough brand where I want to work to be worth thecost delta?”  For example in my case right now, their thought is that IF my goal is to come back to Canada in the long term, then take the Ivey full ride offer.  But if I am committed to go to the US, CMU, or any of the other schools that I am waiting, is a great choice.  Don't look at the money in this case then.

3. Each school is a "core school" to certain companies.  For example, CMU is particularly popular among IT/Telecom/Tech/Operations firms - Amazon, Booz, MS, ATK Consulting, all consider CMU as a "Core" school.  So if your focus is in that kind of companies, then CMU will be a good choice.  As a contrast, Ross is a lot more diverse I think, and will likely have more opportunities in other industries.  

When I was thinking about it, it's almost like comparing U of T to Waterloo, a very popular debate among Chinese undergrad students - U of T has a better general brand/overall reputation, but Waterloo is top notch in Tech/Comp Sci.

Anyways, those are my two cents for now.  Hopefully they help a bit.

Looking forward to continue the discussion as well.  Can't type Chinese as well, but would love to hear what others have to say!

Take care,

Kevin

-- by 会员 reachkevinwang (2011/3/16 6:42:54)

tianya111

If i didn't go to campus visit. I'll choose Ross for sure.
But Tepper did a really good job marketing itself during the campus visit, and adm staff is so nice, she keeps in touch with me after my interview, which makes me feel that the school is very engaging.
and I do know Ross' reputation is stronger. that's why i'm struggling...struggling b/t my personal feelings and what everyone else thinks about these programs.

but I want to make my decision logically (not just based on feelings)...I'm currently working in Toronto. After graduate from MBA, I want to work in the States. That's why I was unsure about Ross when I see that Businessweek says Tepper's employment rate is higher ...

毋庸置疑，Ross是比CMU高一个档次的学校。

高一个档次，意味着更多的就业资源，更优秀的校友和在雇主那里更好的品牌认知度。而且，Ross也更符合lz未来的职业定位和方向。
至于就业率，可以有很多解释的，比如期望更高，比如底特律的就业环境。对不同档次的学校，不同pool的MBA（针对中国MBA而言），就业率参考价值不大的。

但是，无论择校还是找工作最终还是要落到lz身上。有点不明白lz为什么会非常纠结呢？从MBA项目本身，同学质量和未来就业来说，我相信这个坛子上90%以上的朋友都会选择Ross的。问问你的内心：为啥你会对Tepper难以割舍？

-- by 会员 tianya111 (2011/3/15 18:26:30)

-- by 会员 Cecilia_tor (2011/3/16 5:49:57)

Talk with Chinese alumni and current students of Tepper. Find out if Tepper does much tangible to help international students to find job in US. Do not overly trust words of mouth or brochure.  
I guess it depends more on your identity if you want to stay in US.  Ross's brand name and strengths in general management will make it easier to find a job you desire.
We cannot get everything perfect from MBA. Let it serve you best in what you want most.

tianya111

During my campus visit, I definitely felt that Tepper is Amazon's core school, and they are very proud of it. For me, I don't have any science/ engineering background. considering more than 50% of Tepper's students come from a science/ engineering background, it may not be a good fit for me. (like when hiring company going to Tepper, they probably are looking for students who have a engineering background...that's what the school is known for, right?)
------------------------EXACTLY.

After write down all these,,,I feel like i've just convinced myself about going to Ross. did I?
------------------------Yes, I think so.

ceciliator

Thanks!
I'll be going to both Ross' GBR, and Tepper's welcome weekend.
hopefully I'll find out more about these two schools by then!
This is definitely not an easy decision. i'm anxiously waiting for my Ross Admission binder to find out if i get any scholarship : P

If i didn't go to campus visit. I'll choose Ross for sure.
But Tepper did a really good job marketing itself during the campus visit, and adm staff is so nice, she keeps in touch with me after my interview, which makes me feel that the school is very engaging.
and I do know Ross' reputation is stronger. that's why i'm struggling...struggling b/t my personal feelings and what everyone else thinks about these programs.

but I want to make my decision logically (not just based on feelings)...I'm currently working in Toronto. After graduate from MBA, I want to work in the States. That's why I was unsure about Ross when I see that Businessweek says Tepper's employment rate is higher ...

毋庸置疑，Ross是比CMU高一个档次的学校。

高一个档次，意味着更多的就业资源，更优秀的校友和在雇主那里更好的品牌认知度。而且，Ross也更符合lz未来的职业定位和方向。
至于就业率，可以有很多解释的，比如期望更高，比如底特律的就业环境。对不同档次的学校，不同pool的MBA（针对中国MBA而言），就业率参考价值不大的。

但是，无论择校还是找工作最终还是要落到lz身上。有点不明白lz为什么会非常纠结呢？从MBA项目本身，同学质量和未来就业来说，我相信这个坛子上90%以上的朋友都会选择Ross的。问问你的内心：为啥你会对Tepper难以割舍？

-- by 会员 tianya111 (2011/3/15 18:26:30)

-- by 会员 Cecilia_tor (2011/3/16 5:49:57)

Talk with Chinese alumni and current students of Tepper. Find out if Tepper does much tangible to help international students to find job in US. Do not overly trust words of mouth or brochure.  
I guess it depends more on your identity if you want to stay in US.  Ross's brand name and strengths in general management will make it easier to find a job you desire.
We cannot get everything perfect from MBA. Let it serve you best in what you want most.

-- by 会员 tianya111 (2011/3/16 12:34:37)