AD@ NYU financial math

infu

courant is definitely not nr1 math. depart. in US... where is MIT/Harvard/Princeton?
finance - NYU is definitely not one of the top schools... For IBD, you have Wharton/Columbia/Chicago on the graduate level, for quant/trading you have MIT/Stanford/Princeton/Chicago. Undergraduate wise we are talking HYPSMW.

the program is okay, worse placements than berkeley and cmu. (Stanford doesnt disclose their placements, but the brand name will get you anywhere) Check the students resumés, you will not be many students going for BB. Most of them went to MM shops doing quant works - not to mention becoming a trader.

The school is overall okay and It's a good program, if you don't have other choices and don't hate coding, take it.

-- by 会员 infu (2011/3/11 17:20:59)

NYU is #1 in applied math and top 10 overall in math. Combined with #3 finance and top 10 in mba. And I don't know why you would bring up Wharton since we are talking of financial math here. NYU is definitely tier 1 in quant finance.


As for NYU's reputation on Wall Street? You would be surprised how favorable the NYU Stern brand is (not sure about Courant) compared to MIT, Berkeley, Columbia and Chicago.

-- by 会员 onthesc (2011/3/16 6:37:28)

No one cares about your ranking in applied math. It's the university general reputation/  MBA ranking that matters in banking. I talked about IBD.
I don't think, and I'm pretty sure many others would agree with me, that NYU Stern has a stronger MBA brand than Columbia/Chicago/MIT. It's actually first time I see someone make this kind of statement.

infu

courant is definitely not nr1 math. depart. in US... where is MIT/Harvard/Princeton?
finance - NYU is definitely not one of the top schools... For IBD, you have Wharton/Columbia/Chicago on the graduate level, for quant/trading you have MIT/Stanford/Princeton/Chicago. Undergraduate wise we are talking HYPSMW.

the program is okay, worse placements than berkeley and cmu. (Stanford doesnt disclose their placements, but the brand name will get you anywhere) Check the students resumés, you will not be many students going for BB. Most of them went to MM shops doing quant works - not to mention becoming a trader.

The school is overall okay and It's a good program, if you don't have other choices and don't hate coding, take it.

-- by 会员 infu (2011/3/11 17:20:59)

first, trader is not "the most prestigious" job in finance. some traders and other people do think this way, but this is not received by everyone. for example you still are a 操盘手 in a chinese civilization. in terms of compensations, traders may be still behind portfolio managers. likewise, investment banks are not "the most prestigious" in this industry. they are "financial services" providers or sellers. in a similar context of retail world, it's commonly said "consumer is god" or "consumer is your boss" (anecdotally in Singapore when you shop, sellers always start greeting you "hi boss"). definitely a seller can't be a god or a boss on the street. as a matter of fact, many "MM shops" (in fact i don't know what this abbreviation stems from..) are far more attractive in terms of compensations and work/life balance than IBs. of course you can argue they are riskier than banks, since most of them are small firms, but all depends on your taste for risks vis-à-vis rewards.

second, courant is not reputed for pure math, but number 1 in applied math hands down, more precisely PDE stuffs. math (including applied math) have so many branches that no single institution can stand out in all fields. traditionally number theory is considered for the center of pure math, but still some european universities are more authoritative in some areas than the US top schools you've enumerated here.

-- by 会员 怜音 (2011/3/26 20:02:32)

Don't remember saying that trader is the most prestigious job in finance. I don't think there is any such job in finance. But trading is cool, and this is generally perceived by the majority of people doing S&T. And I do see more people wanting to switch from IBD intern to trading ft.

What kind of portfolio manager are you talking about? Mutual fund manager? Hedge fund manager? It's entirely two different industries. Traders compensation are definitely higher than mutual fund manager. Hedge fund manager are on a different scale of course. Although I don't remember comparing salary with portfolio manager in any previous post either.

When you start to use the word "consumer"... I mean... No comment... You just have no idea what you are talking about.

怜音

courant is definitely not nr1 math. depart. in US... where is MIT/Harvard/Princeton?
finance - NYU is definitely not one of the top schools... For IBD, you have Wharton/Columbia/Chicago on the graduate level, for quant/trading you have MIT/Stanford/Princeton/Chicago. Undergraduate wise we are talking HYPSMW.

the program is okay, worse placements than berkeley and cmu. (Stanford doesnt disclose their placements, but the brand name will get you anywhere) Check the students resumés, you will not be many students going for BB. Most of them went to MM shops doing quant works - not to mention becoming a trader.

The school is overall okay and It's a good program, if you don't have other choices and don't hate coding, take it.

-- by 会员 infu (2011/3/11 17:20:59)

first, trader is not "the most prestigious" job in finance. some traders and other people do think this way, but this is not received by everyone. for example you still are a 操盘手 in a chinese civilization. in terms of compensations, traders may be still behind portfolio managers. likewise, investment banks are not "the most prestigious" in this industry. they are "financial services" providers or sellers. in a similar context of retail world, it's commonly said "consumer is god" or "consumer is your boss" (anecdotally in Singapore when you shop, sellers always start greeting you "hi boss"). definitely a seller can't be a god or a boss on the street. as a matter of fact, many "MM shops" (in fact i don't know what this abbreviation stems from..) are far more attractive in terms of compensations and work/life balance than IBs. of course you can argue they are riskier than banks, since most of them are small firms, but all depends on your taste for risks vis-à-vis rewards.

second, courant is not reputed for pure math, but number 1 in applied math hands down, more precisely PDE stuffs. math (including applied math) have so many branches that no single institution can stand out in all fields. traditionally number theory is considered for the center of pure math, but still some european universities are more authoritative in some areas than the US top schools you've enumerated here.

-- by 会员 怜音 (2011/3/26 20:02:32)

Don't remember saying that trader is the most prestigious job in finance. I don't think there is any such job in finance. But trading is cool, and this is generally perceived by the majority of people doing S&T. And I do see more people wanting to switch from IBD intern to trading ft.

What kind of portfolio manager are you talking about? Mutual fund manager? Hedge fund manager? It's entirely two different industries. Traders compensation are definitely higher than mutual fund manager. Hedge fund manager are on a different scale of course. Although I don't remember comparing salary with portfolio manager in any previous post either.

When you start to use the word "consumer"... I mean... No comment... You just have no idea what you are talking about.

-- by 会员 infu (2011/3/29 17:48:02)

you don't understand what you understand.

怜音

courant is definitely not nr1 math. depart. in US... where is MIT/Harvard/Princeton?
finance - NYU is definitely not one of the top schools... For IBD, you have Wharton/Columbia/Chicago on the graduate level, for quant/trading you have MIT/Stanford/Princeton/Chicago. Undergraduate wise we are talking HYPSMW.

the program is okay, worse placements than berkeley and cmu. (Stanford doesnt disclose their placements, but the brand name will get you anywhere) Check the students resumés, you will not be many students going for BB. Most of them went to MM shops doing quant works - not to mention becoming a trader.

The school is overall okay and It's a good program, if you don't have other choices and don't hate coding, take it.

-- by 会员 infu (2011/3/11 17:20:59)

NYU is #1 in applied math and top 10 overall in math. Combined with #3 finance and top 10 in mba. And I don't know why you would bring up Wharton since we are talking of financial math here. NYU is definitely tier 1 in quant finance.


As for NYU's reputation on Wall Street? You would be surprised how favorable the NYU Stern brand is (not sure about Courant) compared to MIT, Berkeley, Columbia and Chicago.

-- by 会员 onthesc (2011/3/16 6:37:28)

No one cares about your ranking in applied math. It's the university general reputation/  MBA ranking that matters in banking. I talked about IBD.
I don't think, and I'm pretty sure many others would agree with me, that NYU Stern has a stronger MBA brand than Columbia/Chicago/MIT. It's actually first time I see someone make this kind of statement.

-- by 会员 infu (2011/3/29 16:50:12)

basically and miserably you are confusing IBD with prospective employments of MFE programs.
my last words: do your job good and don't mislead others.

unnc2010

我想不会有多少MFEers职业目标是放在IBD,如果是相近IBD,确实学校的REPUTATION很重要，HYPCCW这些没的说，S/T，尤其是面对MFE的招生还是很不一样的，我想了解MFE项目的人大部分都会同意NYU, CMU, UCB是最强的三个MFE项目，而这三个学校都不是传统的BANKING学校，如果说IBD，NYU是跟HYPMSCW这些没法比，S/T那就是DIFFERENT STORY了。我觉得对于MFE项目来说，训练课程设置以及CAREER SERVICE都是非常重要，这也能解释为什么STANFORD的就业还要比NYU,CMU,UCB差一点。PRINCETON是一个比较综合的项目，情况有点不同了。

infu

courant is definitely not nr1 math. depart. in US... where is MIT/Harvard/Princeton?
finance - NYU is definitely not one of the top schools... For IBD, you have Wharton/Columbia/Chicago on the graduate level, for quant/trading you have MIT/Stanford/Princeton/Chicago. Undergraduate wise we are talking HYPSMW.

the program is okay, worse placements than berkeley and cmu. (Stanford doesnt disclose their placements, but the brand name will get you anywhere) Check the students resumés, you will not be many students going for BB. Most of them went to MM shops doing quant works - not to mention becoming a trader.

The school is overall okay and It's a good program, if you don't have other choices and don't hate coding, take it.

-- by 会员 infu (2011/3/11 17:20:59)

NYU is #1 in applied math and top 10 overall in math. Combined with #3 finance and top 10 in mba. And I don't know why you would bring up Wharton since we are talking of financial math here. NYU is definitely tier 1 in quant finance.


As for NYU's reputation on Wall Street? You would be surprised how favorable the NYU Stern brand is (not sure about Courant) compared to MIT, Berkeley, Columbia and Chicago.

-- by 会员 onthesc (2011/3/16 6:37:28)

No one cares about your ranking in applied math. It's the university general reputation/  MBA ranking that matters in banking. I talked about IBD.
I don't think, and I'm pretty sure many others would agree with me, that NYU Stern has a stronger MBA brand than Columbia/Chicago/MIT. It's actually first time I see someone make this kind of statement.

-- by 会员 infu (2011/3/29 16:50:12)

basically and miserably you are confusing IBD with prospective employments of MFE programs.
my last words: do your job good and don't mislead others.

-- by 会员 怜音 (2011/3/29 19:33:52)

Sorry but I don't really recall stating IBD as one of the general prospect employment sector for MFE in any of my previous posts, and hence confusing people as you supposed. However, I do have seen people from Berkeley MFE going for IBD, it's rare, but not nonexistence.

Once again, if you can't read, whether explicitly or between the lines, I'll try to put it simple. Perhaps in bullet format.

• according to US news, yes, NYU is number 1 in applied math.
  
  
• applied math in general can't get you great reputation / placement in finance, whether in quant finance or anything else outside quant finance.
  
  
• University of Minnesota--Twin Cities is placed ahead of Princeton University in applied math according to the same ranking. Does this imply that UoM is stronger in quant finance than Princeton University? Your logic is flawed here.
  
  
• NYU Stern does not have a favorable brand in MBA than Columbia/Chicago/MIT, period, out of discussion, no argument is needed.
  
  
• NYU Math Fin is good, but it comes after Berkeley MFE, CMU CF and Stanford FM.
  
  

infu

我想不会有多少MFEers职业目标是放在IBD,如果是相近IBD,确实学校的REPUTATION很重要，HYPCCW这些没的说，S/T，尤其是面对MFE的招生还是很不一样的，我想了解MFE项目的人大部分都会同意NYU, CMU, UCB是最强的三个MFE项目，而这三个学校都不是传统的BANKING学校，如果说IBD，NYU是跟HYPMSCW这些没法比，S/T那就是DIFFERENT STORY了。我觉得对于MFE项目来说，训练课程设置以及CAREER SERVICE都是非常重要，这也能解释为什么STANFORD的就业还要比NYU,CMU,UCB差一点。PRINCETON是一个比较综合的项目，情况有点不同了。

-- by 会员 unnc2010 (2011/3/29 19:50:40)

• Stanford, CMU, UCB is better than NYU. I know Stanford don't have  good, or at all, career service, but the brand will place you. Just compare the people from Stanford Fin Math and NYU Math Fin. The gap is huge.
  
• NYU is a 传统的BANKING学校, IBD placement is good compared to HYPMSCW. It is indeed a different story for S&T. NYU just don't have the connections.
  
  

goforPhD

金融方面最好的还轮不到Stern

单科强的学校多了去了

他单科再强，还是一个几十名后的学校，百分百非名校，回亚洲没几个人知道

-- by 会员 CorCorC (2011/3/10 9:28:23)

你这纯属嫉妒，NYU的名声在亚洲可是响当当的

ffff5

wow chill out guys...LOLL

unnc2010

我想不会有多少MFEers职业目标是放在IBD,如果是相近IBD,确实学校的REPUTATION很重要，HYPCCW这些没的说，S/T，尤其是面对MFE的招生还是很不一样的，我想了解MFE项目的人大部分都会同意NYU, CMU, UCB是最强的三个MFE项目，而这三个学校都不是传统的BANKING学校，如果说IBD，NYU是跟HYPMSCW这些没法比，S/T那就是DIFFERENT STORY了。我觉得对于MFE项目来说，训练课程设置以及CAREER SERVICE都是非常重要，这也能解释为什么STANFORD的就业还要比NYU,CMU,UCB差一点。PRINCETON是一个比较综合的项目，情况有点不同了。

-- by 会员 unnc2010 (2011/3/29 19:50:40)

Stanford, CMU, UCB is better than NYU. I know Stanford don't have  good, or at all, career service, but the brand will place you. Just compare the people from Stanford Fin Math and NYU Math Fin. The gap is huge.
NYU is a 传统的BANKING学校, IBD placement is good compared to HYPMSCW. It is indeed a different story for S&T. NYU just don't have the connections.

-- by 会员 infu (2011/3/29 20:54:37)

Interesting~~Where do you obtain your confidence of saying 'the brand will place you' and 'NYU just doesn't have the connections'? I am seriously asking.