深讨 OG 19

bunnier

OG 19 被讨论过多次, 但好象没问最后一段(with more)修饰的对象... "rice" or "protein"? 请指教... bunnier 以答谢!

19B.   In addition to having more protein than wheat does, rice has protein of higher quality than that in wheat, with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet.

dashasha

我认为是修饰rice的，作状语。

bunnier

以下是引用dashasha在2004-5-25 6:43:00的发言：
我认为是修饰rice的，作状语。

谢谢启发! 比较一下哪个合理... 请(未问世)牛牛请指教:

(1) In addition to having more protein than wheat does, rice (with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet) has protein of higher quality than that in wheat.

(2) In addition to having more protein than wheat does, rice has protein of higher quality (with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet) than that in wheat.

bunnier 看见 "with" 就发傻

dashasha

我不是NN，我觉得1更合理，2存在两个比较HIGHER和MORE，有弃义噢？我认为原题里，with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet是状语，表示为什么RICE里的蛋白质比WHEAT里的蛋白质质量高。

weiyu

I agree with dashasha

bunnier

以下是引用dashasha在2004-5-25 7:35:00的发言：
我不是NN，我觉得1更合理，2存在两个比较HIGHER和MORE，有弃义噢？我认为原题里，with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet是状语，表示为什么RICE里的蛋白质比WHEAT里的蛋白质质量高。

经MM指点, 徒儿有点开窍... with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet是原因状语. According Michael Swan's Practical English Usage: With can also introduce the reasons for a situation (rather like because there is/was):
   With all this work to do, I won't have time to go out.

MM seems to say "with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet" is talking about protein instead of rice. Right?

babypace

bunnier gg，如果"with"结构用来修饰protein的话，“in addition to”结构又是用来修饰什么的呢？是“rice"，是吧？所以，“with"结构也应该是修饰句子主语"rice"的，而不是protein。否则，为了避免歧义，"with"应该紧跟被修饰的中心词"protein"，而不该放在句末。这句句子比较的是"rice"和"wheat"，而不是"the protein in rice"和"the protein in wheat"，这些修饰语挂在句首和句末的都应该是修饰主语"rice"的。gg认为如何？

bunnier

谢谢!!! one piece of for dashasha mm; another for weiyu gg; yet another for babypace mm.

okay, got it! the "with" adverbial phrase should modify the subject. Another example to this effect in OG:

90D: Since 1986, when the Department of Labor began to allow fees of investment officers to be based on the performance of the funds they manage, several corporations have begun paying their investment advisers a small basic fee, with a contract promising higher fees if the managers perform well.

cmtn

But why with in here does not 紧跟被修饰的中心词"rice"，but close to "protein"?

If 是原因状语, then with modifies the whole sentence (or has) not rice, right bunnier?

I think that  原因状语 may be more reasonable.

babypace

我觉得是因为"in addition to--"让我们可以确定句子主语是"rice"而不是"protein of rice"，根据这个，我们判断"with---"是修饰主语"rice"的，而不是距离较近的"protein"。如果这句句子没有"in addition to---"，那句子主语可以是"rice"，也可以是"protein of rice"，就看作者要表达什么意思了，这时，"with---"修饰的是什么，还是跟着句子主语走的。

with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet，rice has protein of higher quality than that in wheat。

with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet，protein in rice is of higher quality than that in wheat。

请继续指教---