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真的很犹豫要不要三战gmat。。。

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 楼主| 发表于 2010-8-31 11:36:31 | 只看该作者
邏輯實在不通吧,爲什麽背景NB或者Gmat高分的就不用來論壇發帖了呢?
這裡就是一個暢所欲言的平臺。No offense.

这个老外简直啥也不懂啊,在这里JJWW

我的天呢... GMAT 720就困难了,开玩笑呢
-- by 会员 smthbigur (2010/8/31 9:36:18)





那你认为中国国情下,gmat要多少分。中国的pool里分数的确比美国pool高多了,他也没说错。

720去申申M7试试,压力会很大,除非背景相当牛逼,有那么牛逼的背景也不需要去考虑gmat多少分了,也不会来发帖或者泡论坛了
-- by 会员 flyeoc (2010/8/31 10:14:08)



-- by 会员 MITMSRED (2010/8/31 10:23:27)



背景牛逼的人大多都忙得要死,并且对自己几斤几两还是很有数的,发帖和泡论坛对他们能有多少收获。
你可以看下每年hbs和stanford的在论坛报offer的有几个,实际上每年录取的都不少。
就是报offer的那几个,平时也基本不在论坛泡着
-- by 会员 flyeoc (2010/8/31 10:45:56)


背景牛逼不牛逼是一回事,在论坛看帖学习是另外一回事。。。
年轻的申请人就算再牛逼,经验和成就都是有限的,不然也没必要去B school了~
32#
发表于 2010-9-1 00:05:52 | 只看该作者
我来帮这位HBS的仁兄澄清一下,这哥们对名校MBA录取的中国学生背景还是比较了解的。
你可以去Business week的论坛上看看这哥们为了拓展业务给多少applicant做的免费咨询,还是相当靠谱的,比如说他建议想做房地产基金的朋友去读名校MBA而不是REAL ESTATE,哪怕是MIT的.
就这一点来说,非常切合我RE PE的朋友,猎头,以及留学顾问的建议。

再回头说Gmat分数,某培训学校以730为界,730以上就可以了,720和700是一挡的;对于我来说因为工作9年所以720够用了。现在后生可畏,确实还是740比较保险。你看光是CD上,从6月份以来报750的就有多少个?


可能老外对于中国的申请不熟悉,这种情况来给建议,比较的危险。

国情也不是那么容易理解的,认识几个中国人,和几个中国人交流过,来过中国几次,就了解中国的情况了?

感觉这个老外有可能就是他自己说的那种“ 收了钱,但是没办法提供任何的有用的帮助。”

HBS的名声啊~~~  估计学校内牛满面
-- by 会员 smthbigur (2010/8/31 9:40:12)

33#
发表于 2010-9-1 05:29:18 | 只看该作者
木有办法,我有720就满足了,人和人不一样。。。
34#
发表于 2010-9-1 15:49:37 | 只看该作者
mm, 牛人呢,也是有缺点的。如果像你说的,工作好,挣钱多,对自己理解,对b school理解,对adcom 理解,GMAT分数高

呵呵

那就不是人了。
而且呢,牛人为啥不能有时间啊,牛人就一定要忙啊。 这个假设也不一定。牛人也有疑惑,牛人也需要朋友,牛人也需要建议。

所以啊,牛人来问GMAT分数也很正常,牛人申请不被录取也很正常。
35#
发表于 2010-9-8 02:09:47 | 只看该作者
Thanks for your explanation! It's clear. So European b-schools are different than American B-Schools although INSEAD is also top B-School in the world.
TOO rendezvous98

Hello there!  Thank you so much for your thoughtful email.  I am happy to answer all your questions.   I am from the USA, and my company Precision Essay is based here in sunny Chicago.  We work with so many people from China, a former client recommended that we start to post on ChaseDream as well.  

In terms of the GMAT, it would be my pleasure to help you understand how admissions committees make their decisions.  You are correct that INSEAD in particular is very happy with a 720 on the GMAT—but as you know, their average GMAT score is approximately 680.  Stanford GSB, for example, has a much higher average GMAT score of approximately 730.  So as you can imagine, a 680 would be well below the average at some schools, but above the average at others.

The other thing you need to keep in mind is that for international candidates, sometimes the admissions standards tend to be higher!  Let me help you understand the math.  Kellogg’s class is 600 people.  Of that 600 people, 200 will be international.  Lets assume that of that 200 it will break down 50% male and 50% female, just to keep the math simple.  That means that there are 100 slots, total, for all men from all countries across the world!  Oh no!    If, however, you are a man from the USA, your chances are much better—after all, there are 200 slots for American men.  Now, certain countries have few applicants, like Indonesia, Columbia, Iceland, and the Philippines.  For those applicants, standards may be a bit lower—after all, schools would LOVE to have a qualified student from Iceland in the class—there are very few!  But on the other hand, some countries have many applicants, such as China, Korea, and India.  For those countries, standards may be even HIGHER than for US applicants, since there are so many candidates for so few slots.

We know this so well, because we work with so many clients from all over the world!  I hope this helps you understand the statistics a bit better.  If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me at my E-mail.


TOO MITMSRED
Thanks for the thoughtful note.  We have just addresses this question above—but happy to do it again!    We work with so many applicants from all over the world, I think it will be helpful for everyone to understand how the admissions committees make their decisions.  Remember, schools could never admit publically that different standards exist for applicants from different countries.  But mathematically, that HAS to be the case.  Let me show you why!

Tuck’s class is 250 people.  Of that 250 people, 80 will be international.  Lets assume that of that 80 it will break down 50% male and 50% female, just to keep the math simple.  That means that there are 40 slots, total, for all men from all countries across the world!  That is a very high standard to meet, wouldn’t you say!    If, however, you are a man from the USA, your chances are much better—after all, there are twice as many slots for American men.  Now, certain countries have few applicants, like Indonesia, Columbia, Iceland, and the Philippines.  For those applicants, standards may be a bit lower—after all, schools would LOVE to have a qualified student from Iceland.  There were NO Icelandic students in my HBS class of 2005.  But on the other hand, some countries have many applicants, such as China, Korea, and India.  For those countries, standards may be even HIGHER, since there are so many candidates for so few slots.

I hope this clarifies the issue for you.  If you have any further questions, feel free to email me directly


TOO Alicemama

Hello there!  Happy to answer your question.  My name is Jon Frank, and I graduated from HBS in 2005.  I now run Precision Essay, an elite MBA admissions company—but I am posting on ChaseDream 100% free, for everyone to see!    I love to help people, and former Chinese clients have told us that there are many dishonest companies out there in China especially, taking peoples’ money but not doing a good job.  That is horrible!  So I am here posting (with the help of a generous native Chinese speaker) trying to offer up some helpful, free guidance.  Sometimes, for foreign applicants especially, it is critical to have a Western perspective.  So that is what I am offering.  I hope this answers your questions!

I am simply here to help—offering up the guidance that we have gained over the years for everyone in China to benefit from.  Sometimes, it just feels good to help.  Good luck to everyone!


HOPE THIS ANSWERS ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS ,FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME ANYTIME.


Jon Frank
Founder, Precision Essay
HBS Class of 2005]
-- by 会员 JonFrank (2010/8/28 0:32:32)

36#
发表于 2010-9-8 05:12:37 | 只看该作者
top10对gmat的成绩要求反而不高,他们都知道中国学生考试本领一流。
好好写推荐信,毕业论文对GPA提高也有作用,如果你论文被什么会议录取,那会很有帮助哦。
37#
发表于 2010-9-8 11:14:45 | 只看该作者
楼主说的3y IB是什么意思?如果是3 year investment banking,那720分的gmat没有问题了。。推荐信和essay里面重点写一下自己怎么独立思考作model的就应该可以了。。这个比起GMAT而言更能证明你的anaylytical skills。
38#
 楼主| 发表于 2010-9-8 11:22:05 | 只看该作者
楼主说的3y IB是什么意思?如果是3 year investment banking,那720分的gmat没有问题了。。推荐信和essay里面重点写一下自己怎么独立思考作model的就应该可以了。。这个比起GMAT而言更能证明你的anaylytical skills。
-- by 会员 DeltaDawn (2010/9/8 11:14:45)


是investment banking~~恩这个思路不错,多谢!
39#
发表于 2010-9-8 11:26:34 | 只看该作者
請教,論文錄取,是放在ESSAY 還是放在CV表現比較好呢?

top10对gmat的成绩要求反而不高,他们都知道中国学生考试本领一流。
好好写推荐信,毕业论文对GPA提高也有作用,如果你论文被什么会议录取,那会很有帮助哦。
-- by 会员 charming1116 (2010/9/8 5:12:37)

40#
发表于 2010-9-8 18:54:25 | 只看该作者
别考了...gmat即使再有用,你的时间也来不及了。抓紧时间准备材料吧。
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