有申请加拿大MBA的吗?

ma6jia

我最近在申请加拿大安大略省的几所MBA, 寻同申请的朋友

maxdaddy

I am not applying, but I am pretty familiar with all those programs as I have many friends who went to these schools such as Ivey, Rotman, Queens and MGill (this is in Quebec.)

Feel free to ask me questions if you have any~~

andyjay

IVEY今年大陆就业怎么样？2年制变为1年制对大陆学生有啥影响？

ma6jia

Max, 谢谢先啦! 我参加过Ivey, Schulich和Queen's的information session之类的活动, 了解了一些. 对Rotman不是很了解. 印象中觉得很牛气的样子. 你对Rotman有什么了解吗? Ivey貌似不喜欢要工作经验比较长的, 以及工科背景的申请者. Queen's工科背景的很多, 也不介意工作经验很长, 但是在国内名声不响. Schulich很灵活, parttime fulltime随便换, 感觉有点像铁打的营盘, 流水的兵. Schulich的IMBA是固定的40-50个人的全职班.

Andy, 我问过Ivey这个问题, 他们说他们主要的就业方向还是在多伦多地区, 我记得他们的PPT上写的是64%在多伦多. Ivey这一届我感觉大陆背景的可能有4-5个左右吧. 我不是很确定. 好像听他们说今年总人数会扩招到110个, 也并不是很确定. 这几个学校对大陆学生的要求, 我觉得基本都是得要很积极的上课参与讨论. 2年变1年那是必须的, 因为Ivey在London, 不能parttime, 也没有Schulich和Rotman的intern的地理优势, 如果Ivey再不改, 估计就被Queen's抢了生源了. 2年变1年就是没有Intern了嘛, 但是Ivey会经常把学生拉到多伦多去和雇主们面谈

andyjay

谢谢LZ的分享！我的sale背景，打算毕业后做consultant或者回industry做management level。

不知道大陆同学在IVEY Career Switch比例多不多，在当地做consultant和回国做consultant情况如何？大麦，贝恩一类的有多少进去的。

ma6jia

andy, 如果你有非工科背景, 3-5年工作经验, 英语很好, 态度很积极. 申请Ivey戏还是比较大的. 我看过他们PPT上的Career Switch比例. 我应该有那个PPT, 现在不在手边.记得好像是挺高的比例. 他们没说哪个公司具体进了多少. 对了, 我问过, 他们说东亚来的recuiter比较少. 主要还是GTA的. 个人觉得直接从大陆来的, 申请Schulich和Rotman比较好, 不光是从Intern上来说, 咱们从北京上海那一千万人以上的城市来, 直接就去了40万人的london, 说实话真是不适应, 多伦多很多元化而且比较包容, Rotman和Schulich都强调Finance, 中国学生比较好找工作. Schulich强调的是创新和全球多元化.

maxdaddy

No problem ma6jia.

Being the oldest b-school outside USA, Ivey has the most extensive alumni network among all Canadian b-schools. Ivey also teaches a purely case-based method throughout its program. My friends from Ivey told me they used the exact same cases that Harvard uses. Ivey is the second largest case publisher behind Harvard and lota business school buy their teaching cases from Ivey. Five or six years ago, I would call Ivey absolutely the best business school in Canada as you can tell by looking at Ivey mba's salary was almost twice as much as Rotman MBA, or Queens'. However, the other business schools are catching up. Lot of quality applicants went with Rotman and Queens. Ivey is working really work to attract quality applicants as it has frequently modified it program: from 2-year to 1-year, from one intake per year to two intakes per year (similar to INSEAD), then back to one intake.  By the way, 90% of the executives in the large companies are Ivey alumni. The remaining 10% are UT, Queens, McGill law grads. Anyways, I still believe Ivey is arguably the best b-school in canada. Recommended for applicants who want to be in consulting. Lota grads go to Mac, Bain, BCG.

if you wanna work in Canada after MBA, Ivey is better than most of the USA schools in terms of salary and position.

Rotman is a really really young school. During this recession, several Rotman MBAs I know got laid off, but the Ivey ones were safe. One superior advatange that Rotman has is the location. It also has a pretty nice trading lab. I would recommend this school for those who wanna work on Bay street (the so-called Canadian Wall Street. I am working there right now, but it has a long way to go to catch up with Wall St.) Rotman appointed a new dean who was from HArvard some years ago. This guy's magic really works and has pulled Rotman within striking distance from Ivey that could almost knock Ivey off from the number 1 spot. Graduate salary has been increasing at a very fast way. (from only 50% of Ivey in less than a decade ago just slightly less than Ivey last year.) Other than finance, nothing is too good when compared to Ivey and Queens. My friend was from finance, had 2 intern offers in banks, but looked to get a consulting intern, almost failed until the Rotman dean went out to reach out companies and created 5 unpaid consulting intern positions at a smaller consulting company than MBB, she landed one. Even thought the bank offers were good in terms of money, she was still happy cus she's one step closer to her goal of switching industry.

maxdaddy

queens is pretty good on both, but not the best in either. Goldman Sachs has a tradition of hiring 2 Queens MBA per year to work in new york, neither rotman nor ivey receives this special treatment. (im not sure if they still have this agreement during the crisis though.) same as Ivey, one year MBA program,  Kingston = london = low low living expense which is roughly 1/3 of toronto's cost. the queens mba is young too. it started pretty much like an "engineering" mba as most of the students were engineers. Its student body is much more diversified now. consulting companies like queens more than rotman.


by the way, queens U receives more funding than any other Us in Canada, but its facilities are for sure not among the best. You wonder why? Queens has the highest paid faculty in Canada.

summercool1

Hi Maxdaddy:Is Ivey a good choice if want to work in North America after grad? Is it even better to be placed than US top schools? I prefer one year program.
How about if to bring families over to Ivey?
Thanks!

maxdaddy

One similar trends in many canadian b-schools is that the schools tend to see applicants with canadian education or work experience way stronger than those with neither.

My rotman friend was in the same company as I. She had only 1 year of very entry-level experience when she applied, 650 gmat, 3.8 gpa in a top canadian school. She received an offer from Schulich with $30,000 scholarship which she turned down in favor of Rotman's who didn't extend any scholarship. She told me that her classmates without canadian experience generally had 8-10 years of W/E. And these students had a very hard time landing summer interns this years which was a really sad thing. Total number of Chinese students (mainland, taiwan, hk) is less than 10. There are a lot of Indians though.

Another friend of mine who had 3 years of Canadian W/E and an Canadian bachelor degree, low GPA, 680 gmat got into Ivey. From what he describes, the Ivey program is much more intense and has less parties than Rotman.