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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-24 13:54:00 | 只看该作者
lisese> a standard rule of thumb at Wharton is that if you get >80 for both verbal and math sections of the GMAT, the school is generally satisfied in your academic ability. At the same time, however, a high gmat and a low GPA may indicate that someone is 'smart, but lazy'- hence while a good GMAT does convey evidence of academic ability, things aren't really that simple.

I've stressed this multiple times before, that 'profiles' don't really matter that much. I have classmates who graduated from schools I've never heard of (for instance.. Davidson College), for instance, but who still got into Wharton. In general, I think that most people actually do have a pretty good idea of where they stand. You mention getting a master's from China's top university, for instance, and that probably shows the type of institution you should be aiming for. But then again, that's not the same as getting a college degree from China's top university (BTW, I didn't realise China had one top university.. everyone I ask seems to have a different view of who's top. But I digress), just like getting an MA in Japanese Studies from Harvard is not seen in the same light as BA from Harvard. My point is, there are so many small details to you that only you know, and that can only come through in a full application. That is, assuming you are able to communicate it in an application- most people who don't get into business schools fail to do this.

Finally, as for choices, what is guiding your choices? You mentioned marketing and finance, and I noticed, for instance, that Chicago Booth is not on the list, although they have top 3 finance and marketing departments in the US. I would recommend when choosing a school, that you look for the best 'fit'. A huge part of the value of the MBA is probably the friends and alumni that you will be able to tap into, and you'll see that the alums from different schools are very different. Most of my classmates, for instance, (especially in the Lauder programme) can't imagine going anywhere else. Do your research, and you'll start to find that each school has unique traits and attracts a certain type of people.
152#
发表于 2009-4-24 14:33:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用aaronren在2009-4-24 2:29:00的发言:

想请问一下,因为我是已婚人士,如果到wharton读书,学校允许配偶陪读吗?学校的中国学生有陪读这种情况吗?

一般是两人可以一起过去,还是说配偶只能等录取人安定下来才能过去
                    

大概需要什么手续呢?

非常感谢.

zhanghongzx:

I am no Jason. But I am probably more experienced than Jason, as far as marriage is concerned. I will throw in my 2 cents here. :-)

Yes, if you are admitted by Wharton, your wife can come to Wharton with you.  Wharton has a Wharton Partners Club,

which your wife may be interested in. As matter of fact, they even sent a hand-written welcome card to my wife after my admission, and

welcomed her to join their activities.  If you have children, there is also a Wharton Kids Club, in which children socialize.

Once you are admitted and accept the offer, you will be contacted by the international students office to start I-20 process

for your student F-1 Visa. As a spouse, your wife can apply F-2 Visa.  


好人好报。非常谢谢。

153#
发表于 2009-4-24 14:42:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用jelt2359在2009-4-21 12:13:00的发言:
zhang> yes, partners are very common. You just have to apply for a visa for her at the same time as you, and you can both travel to the US together.

fantasy> I see no reason why not. I went to Wharton straight from undergraduate, so having less work experience is not an issue. I can't comment more because until you have your full application, including recommendations and essays, there's really no telling whether you can get in. Many people have great profiles but fail to execute well on their essays.

恩。谢谢JASON。

另外我想说说我的情况,请问JASON我现在的情况是否有利于申请美国商学院

我2005年7月于上海财经大学数量经济系毕业,并于9月到一家制造贸易业公司做金融总助理。

在工作的同时,遇到了不少学术上的困难。在工作2年后,于2007年9月考入贵州大学入读研究生,专业是管理科学与金融工程。

在读完一年研究生基础课后,2008年7月我进入中国银行投资部做投资顾问(实习)。一直工作到现在。

现在我想报考美国的Wharton商学院,请问这样的背景是否不利于申请呢?

另外,申请的时候,我要注意一些什么东西呢??

非常感谢!!HAVE FUN IN WHARTON!!

154#
 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-25 06:28:00 | 只看该作者
Zhang> The most important parts are your career goals, which you didn't mentioned. But from your background, it is clear that you are very keen on finance. The only things I would be concerned about is,

1) if you already have a masters in finance, why would you want another business degree? If it's because you want to transition into some other part of the business world, what evidence do you have in your past that shows that you are sincere about making this transition, and are not merely saying it on the application?

2) As for whether your 'profile' is good enough, I suspect you yourself will have a better idea of this than me. One's 'quality' as an applicant is seen as a combination of the clarity and realisticness of your career goals, and what you've achieved in your school. So having gone to PKU and getting an average score may not be as good as someone who went to a lower-ranked school but graduated top of the class. Similarly, an average performer in Goldman Sachs may be rejected in favour of the top performer at a local investment bank. The way schools decide on your quality depends on how you show your thought process in the essay; the opportunities you've seized at work and outside of work; what you've achieved in the past; and also what others think about you (recommendations).

3) Finally, with regards to what you should 'focus on' in your application: different schools look for different things. I suggest you spend a lot of time looking over their websites, and after a while you'll find that each stresses different things.
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发表于 2009-4-25 21:10:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用jelt2359在2009-4-24 13:54:00的发言:
lisese> a standard rule of thumb at Wharton is that if you get >80 for both verbal and math sections of the GMAT, the school is generally satisfied in your academic ability. At the same time, however, a high gmat and a low GPA may indicate that someone is 'smart, but lazy'- hence while a good GMAT does convey evidence of academic ability, things aren't really that simple.

I've stressed this multiple times before, that 'profiles' don't really matter that much. I have classmates who graduated from schools I've never heard of (for instance.. Davidson College), for instance, but who still got into Wharton. In general, I think that most people actually do have a pretty good idea of where they stand. You mention getting a master's from China's top university, for instance, and that probably shows the type of institution you should be aiming for. But then again, that's not the same as getting a college degree from China's top university (BTW, I didn't realise China had one top university.. everyone I ask seems to have a different view of who's top. But I digress), just like getting an MA in Japanese Studies from Harvard is not seen in the same light as BA from Harvard. My point is, there are so many small details to you that only you know, and that can only come through in a full application. That is, assuming you are able to communicate it in an application- most people who don't get into business schools fail to do this.

Finally, as for choices, what is guiding your choices? You mentioned marketing and finance, and I noticed, for instance, that Chicago Booth is not on the list, although they have top 3 finance and marketing departments in the US. I would recommend when choosing a school, that you look for the best 'fit'. A huge part of the value of the MBA is probably the friends and alumni that you will be able to tap into, and you'll see that the alums from different schools are very different. Most of my classmates, for instance, (especially in the Lauder programme) can't imagine going anywhere else. Do your research, and you'll start to find that each school has unique traits and attracts a certain type of people.

Jason, thanks a lot! I'll do more homework on schools...

156#
 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-26 02:45:00 | 只看该作者

        

I saw another post asking about the comparative advantages of HBS vs
Stanford vs Wharton, because the poster thought that such info wasn't
available from official sources. I beg to differ. Original post from csch is here: 


从来没有总结过:

三大名校,校友们给总结陈诉一下,孰优孰劣,突出优势都在哪?官方资料看不清细里的东西。但是没有什么是完美的,北大清华有过什么遗憾,只有校友是明白就里的

地域,校友,名气,career center,strength,etc,多多益善,近年来申请层次越来越高,频频出现牛人,希望更多人受益


This question is difficult to answer because none of us have
attended more than one business school. In addition, while at each
school we certainly have distinctive ideas about what makes us unique,
what others may think might be different. To cite an example, I value
Wharton's ability to help me develop a network in China because among
its peer schools, it has the most Chinese students and also has the
Lauder programme which has alumni in China. This is important to me,
but may be less so for others, depending on what they
are looking to get out of business school.

            

Everyone has a list of factors that matter to them (rigorous core vs
flexible curriculum; big school vs small school; number of alumni in a
geographical area; strength in one major vs another; ability to tap
into non-business school alumni of the same school; % of class that is
in your minority group, like early career; whether you like the
location the school's in; and so on.) The list is endless, but a clever
business school applicant would be able to determine which factors are relevant, and upon reflection, understand which of these relevant factors are also important, and truly matter to him. He will then pick his choice of business schools based on a list of factors that are both relevant and important.

            

On the difference betweeen Relevance vs Importance:

            

Important, but not relevant: For instance, you mention career centre.
My own reasoning goes that for the top schools, everyone puts a lot of
emphasis on career, and I doubt you'll be able to pick out any
substantive differences between them. So while career centre is important, I wouldn't think it relevant- because everyone is equally strong in this regard.

            

Relevant, but whether it's important depends on you: On the other hand,
no school can be big and small at the same time. So this is a relevant factor, because schools differ on this, but whether it's important depends on you. If it is important, then it should be one of the criteria you use to decide.

            

Once you decide which factors are relevant, and which relevant factors
are also important, I think you'll find that where each school stands
on all these factors are available in 官方资料。

            

Just my own thoughts.


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发表于 2009-4-27 11:20:00 | 只看该作者

Follow up three questions:

1) how Wharton student stretch their network with U.S alumni especially for a 1st MBA just get there in U.S?  

2) I guess most of the condidtions in Wharton are great but anything would you like to share not that kind of satisfied?

3) Which location are the most recruitors come from?  (since it is a big name probably anywhere, where most students go to after graduate? )


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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-27 21:44:00 | 只看该作者
csch>
1) If you're looking for alumni, there are a lot of ways. There are alumni clubs you can contact; alumni events to go to; and also you can simply scan the database and email/call alumni to ask them for a chat. Whether you just got to the US or have been there a long time, you have to do the same things- be persistent, because not every alumni is free to talk to you, and reach out to as many of them as possible.

2) This is probably a problem common across all business schools, but there is so much to do here that I wish I had more time.

3) Obviously, since this is the US and the East Coast, most people look to go to New York or other East Coast locations. It is also easier for recruiters to come here. As for where most people tend to go, this really depends. I for instance do not aim to stay in the US. So regardless of how many US recruiters come here, I am looking to talk to recruiters in Asia, and reach out (via email to alumni, friends, and website) to them that way. I wouldn't worry about where most recruiters come from, because if you are determined, you'll find a way to talk to them regardless of where you are.

Hope this helps!
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-4-28 04:13:00 | 只看该作者
On what one's 'profile' means:

Here is a sample profile:
GMAT: 770
TOEFL: Exempt
Working
background: did a few internships in the media, but haven't worked
full-time. Just graduated from college (US undergrad).
Career goal: Want to do strategy in the media long-term, applying to business school to learn business knowledge.

Where
should this person apply? With this working background and career goal,
most would have said, 'you should have gone to work a few years first..
that way you can increase your chances and you can also contribute more
to class.' In case you haven't realised, that person is me. In fact,
many people I asked on businessweek, as well as other forums, said this
exact thing. Well, by convincing the adcom both in my essays and in my
interview that I am a mature individual who can think analytically and
hence contribute to class in a logical sense (as opposed to necessarily
talking about my own experiences), I was admitted to my dream school
(and the only one I applied to!)- Wharton/Lauder.

The point is,
you probably know your own story better than anyone else, and so don't
let others dissuade you from applying if you think you are worthy. Make
sure that you have clearly-thought out career goals, and understand
what you're going to say for 'why now, why MBA, and why xxx school (and
not any other school!)'. That last point, especially- many say things
like, 'Wharton's international programmes attract me..'. Well, unless
other schools like HBS don't have international programmes, this is not
something worth saying. If on the other hand you say, "Wharton being in
Philadelphia, where lots of healthcare firms are, together with its
strong healthcare programme, fits my career goals better than any other
school', than 'why Wharton' is suddenly a lot stronger.

Feel
free to post any questions you may have about your career goals, and
'why now, why MBA' (since these apply to ANY school). As for 'why
Wharton', see my post above- there are a host of reasons why someone
would want to choose Wharton, and you'll have to decide for yourself
which applies to you. My example for healthcare, for instance, is
probably wholly irrelevant for someone not interested in healthcare.

PS, if you post a question, I ask that you post a brief intro of yourself- otherwise, how else will I be able to answer whether your career goals, why now and why MBA make sense for your specific background?



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 楼主| 发表于 2009-5-3 05:04:00 | 只看该作者
Just saw another post where someone talked about McKinsey's recruiting
at business schools. Original Post from chiyuanl: "I found this while I
am doing research. Basically you can have a look
if McKinsey recruits on ur campus and how is your school's "勢力" in
McKinsey. JUst select your school from the drop down list. You will
find out the firm's staff dedicated in recruiting in ur school. Hehe...do some marketing for Kellogg....(extract from website):
...........Kellogg
grads play a big role at McKinsey. They’re everywhere you turn—in
almost 90 percent of our offices, in fact—and they promote
problem-solving, strategic thinking, and a commitment to excellence
wherever they are. Kellogg’s intensive academic program makes graduates
like you ideal for a career at McKinsey, and the proof is easy to find.
- There are 36 Partners within the Firm who are Kellogg Alumni.
- There is at least one Kellogg graduate in 72 of our more than 85 offices.
- We continue to be the largest employer at Kellogg.

There are 3 recruiting managers from McKinsey for Kellogg!"

My
thoughts below.

Obviously nobody's going to use this to determine their b-school of choice, but a few things to consider include:

    

1) INSEAD seems to have the most partners, and that may be because many
top Europeans and Asians go to their school- giving them the chance to
go to a more diverse selection of offices, where they have more chance
at being partner. In contrast at Wharton, say if you go to the New York
office, you may find someone from HBS, Kellogg, etc all working with
you- making it less likely that a person from your school will make
partner (relative to INSEAD at the European/Asian office). I'm the
co-president of the consulting club at Wharton, and basically nobody
recruits for non-London european offices, for instance.

    

2) Wharton enrolls more students each year. Is it a wonder that they
have more partners than Kellogg? Probably not. You have to take into
account the size (# of students) of each school.

    

3) I've dealt with the Recruiting Managers for most of the firms, and
I'm not sure how having more recruiting managers is indicative of
anything other than the fact that that's how the company has chosen to
run their recruiting. As an example, AT Kearney has seven recruiting
managers working with Wharton. They certainly don't hire as many
employees as McKinsey, so I'm not sure what htis shows.

    

Anyway, thanks for sharing. Let me know if anyone has any questions
about consulting at business schools (particularly at Wharton)!
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