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建议中欧大力开发PT-MBA项目

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发表于 2010-10-13 01:45:10 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2010-10-13 12:41:49 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2010-10-14 11:26:21 | 只看该作者
EMBA在国内的火爆确实由于MBA教育是新兴事物,很多已经成为高管的人需要补课充电。在国外,尤其是美国,工作3,5年去读个MBA,晋级初级经理或者中级经理是个职业发展常态。在500强公司里,很少高管是没有MBA学位的。再高层点,不讲究学位了,读个针对性强的高层管理培训课程做些有效补充。国外的EMBA,大多就是part-MBA,晚上或周末授课。UCLA-Berkley的part-MBA就很红火,这也许和经济大形势有关,大家在辞职决定上更谨慎了。

如果希望转行转function,专心读个full-time MBA可能更合适。大家天份不相上下,人家从一而终,你半道出家,总要多些时间和精力付出才能一拼吧。如果在本行业做的挺开心的,不想转行,但是想走管理线而非简单的专业线,那一个part-time MBA可能更合适,有效减少机会成本。

长期看,中国现有的企业家/高管读EMBA只是一个有限市场,5年后可能生源就会有所枯竭,part-time MBA, full-time MBA, executive education 会是有效的管理教育分布。
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发表于 2010-10-14 12:00:17 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2010-10-14 16:27:20 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2010-10-14 16:51:38 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2010-10-14 23:04:51 | 只看该作者
你这是稻草人攻辩方式。树一个稻草人,说那是hicd,于是一通乱箭。但那稻草人不是我!

我当然没有做过系统、科学的调研,我只是根据我的主观的经验,观点仅供参考。难不成你做了客观、科学的调研?

MBA进入中国也有很多年了。我看到的,是在很多企业,无论外企、国企还是民企的中层以上管理者中,无论是主管、经理还是总监,很多都没有MBA学位,甚至很多都没有硕士以上学位。而我认识的很多MBA,有的发展得还行,有很多发展得就很一般。所以我认为MBA跟成功地进入管理层的关系,既非充分条件、也非必要条件。至于创业,从我接触的有限样本来看,跟MBA学位更无固定的逻辑关系。这就是我的主观结论,从没有自命为真理。

你要是觉得没有MBA人生不完整、输在起跑线,我没意见。
-- by 会员 HiCD (2010/10/14 16:51:38)



管理层硕士少不能够说明硕士没有用, 统计上这样的判断不成立.

好的批评应当有理有据,你有一些道听途说的数据,但判断的依据是没有统计逻辑的支撑的.

The MBA is not an end in itself, but a means to an end. It is a degree designed to give you the ability to develop your career to its fullest potential, at an accelerated pace. What will you get out of an MBA? Aside from a powerful life experience, the MBA degree should supply three main value propositions: Skills, Networks, and Brand.
Skills
These include the "hard skills" of economics, finance, marketing, operations, management, and accounting, as well as the "soft skills " of leadership, teamwork, ethics, and communication that are so critical for effective management. MBA students acquire these skills inside and outside the classroom. Since MBA programs attract people from very diverse industries and cultures, a program should be able to leverage these differences and translate them into learning opportunities.
Networks
An MBA degree program offers access to a network of MBA students, alumni, faculty, and business and community leaders. This network can be very useful when beginning a job search, developing a career path, building business relationships in your current career, or pursuing expertise outside your current field. For example, entrepreneurs need access to capital, business partners, vendors, and clients. Arts-related businesses need access to funding and strategic management in order to position themselves to be relevant in the marketplace. Global businesses need access to local business cultures as they expand their enterprises to new territories.
Brand
The MBA degree is a recognized brand that signifies management and leadership training. The particular school and type of MBA program you attend also have brand associations that can help open doors based on the school's reputation. The strength of a school's brand is based on the program's history, its ability to provide students with technical skills and opportunities for personal growth, and the reach of its alumni and industry network. A powerful brand can give you the flexibility to make changes throughout your career.
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发表于 2010-10-14 23:26:52 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2010-10-15 09:23:38 | 只看该作者
我没强迫你相信我的“没有逻辑”的一家之言啊。希望你每次发言,都能符合学术论文规范的严谨。也希望你严以律己,宽以待我,我有“胡扯”的权利,对不对?
-- by 会员 HiCD (2010/10/14 23:26:52)




建议你学一下统计学。特别是Bayesian分析。 P(A|B)=P(A,B)/P(B), 这会帮助你 理解数据并用来做出正确的判断。

问你一个简单的统计问题,这是一个最基本的99%MBA 学生能回答对的问题。

张先生有两个小孩,其中一个是女孩, 请问另一个是女孩的可能性是多大?
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发表于 2010-10-15 16:52:16 | 只看该作者
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