读完博士后能不能进industry

1987kevin

to be honest with you

I just land a PhD offer

I am also considering whether or not I should get into that.

You are all NNs, so I might shut up as well.

I still do not believe PhD has too much competitive edge compared with good master's degree in the industry, esp. at this time.

"3. They don't look at what's ur research paper and ur academic background at all, they only care how much math u mastered and what's ur school's name."

if it is true, I might have no chance, the thing is, I did get it and I am still waiting for other schools.

I believe my perspective is very limited and one-sided. So do please also give me some advice.

If it is convenient for you, could you pm me your msn? thank you.

tinyTINY

你的英文真的不敢让人恭维, 给人的第一印象就是很"稚嫩".

所以如果你不知道的情况, 不要随便给人家提意见, 我只是建议而已.

我说话的根据是我认识的分析师很多是理工科博士, 一般在校的成绩很高, 数理成绩尤其突出.

1987kevin

whatever, whatsoever

I also get straight As in math and programming.

you seemed frustrated actually

maybe you know many ***N, it does not mean I do not know any

OK, whatever you say, this year's phd competition is tough

立雪

"2. some mode building work do need phd, master is not enough for those
kinds of quanative job. H1b is not a big deal in that case. most
companies who is willing to hire u and pay u a big money will sponsor u
green card."

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Well, on this point, I think you misunderstood 1987kevin. It is true that many companies sponsor H1B visa, but you still need to go through the lottery, this is the biggest issue today. Many of my friends got great jobs and most big companies have no problem sponsoring them to apply for the visa, but after working for a year, they were not lucky enough to get the visa. They still needed to go back to Hong Kong office.

I don't know much about green card, but heard that you could apply for green card five years after you start working (unless you can prove you are an outstanding intellectual.....)

1987kevin

It is a great advantage of BEING FACULTY, that is their head count is not included in the general H1B, they do not have to go through lottery.

But is being faculty in the US so easy these days? I believe not.

Is getting good industry job easy? I do not know. It might be easier for some concentrations.

I do not know why tinyTINY
            say that math related courses and school name is the determining factor.

Papers are important, as far as I can see.

1987kevin

以下是引用fzxc613在2008-12-4 14:36:00的发言：

1. it is extremly easy for a finance phd who always has strong quantitive backgournd to get an industry job. Ur advisor would  let u find a job in industry only in the case that u can't land up a job in acadmia. For econ phd, it is harder compare to finance phd, but it is still much better than those phds from math, physic, bio or so on.

2. some mode building work do need phd, master is not enough for those kinds of quanative job. H1b is not a big deal in that case. most companies who is willing to hire u and pay u a big money will sponsor u green card.

3. They don't look at what's ur research paper and ur academic background at all, they only care how much math u mastered and what's ur school's name.

Last, please do be cautious when u reply to people in some area u don't know too much. 

我的意思是今年申经济学和金融博士非常难，您可能弄错了

立雪

ls, tinyTINY didn't say that directly, that was by fzxc613.
And I think he means if you are a phd, and you are applying for an industry job, your publications do not matter at all. All that matters is your math skills. That is absolutely right.

You get the impression of publications being important from your experience of applying for a phd degree. Then it is true that papers are important to land an offer, but not in the case when you need an industry job.

1987kevin

。。。I must have some misunderstanding about that, sorry about that

neo1001

To LS, So early and you get a PhD offer? I mean, are there any schools that will review application so early? But anyway, good for you, cong!

With respect to career in the industry for fin. phd vs MBA/master, Fin. Phd will typically do quant stuff (assuming you are working on asset pricing in the PhD program), while a normal MBA/master can not get into that area (unless s/he has previous w/e in the area). So it does not make a lot of sense to do this comparison....I mean, yes, Fin. PhD can also get into the industry, but the career path is totally different. But the very first question in this post implicitly assumes "if both Fin PhD and Master can go into the industry, then they are comparable and we can make a choice out of them."

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darcie

cong!  so early to get a phd offer,  which is the begginning of another torture though.

As to industry alternative,  I guess most phds want to be faculties(at least before the third year) ,although the reality does not allow this to happen.

As to math skills,  I guess if you are not phds from math or equivalent major,  it is just neglectable.  If you got straght As, just be markov.