写几句话给要申请msf和打算来美国的--这里不是天堂

smart38

我先在美国,楼主说得很正确,我年底毕业,我打算一毕业就回国了.

mrcharming

只要来了美国大部分人都会同意LZ所描述的情况。只有那些还没有到美国的热血青年突然被LZ泼了一大盆冷水才会质疑LZ的动机和所描述情况的正确性。

胡搅蛮缠

以下是引用feynman烨在2008-10-5 4:55:00的发言：

你说在美国硕士毕业的呢 还是说在国内本科毕业那个啊

美国的那个我早就说不好找啦 我的出国动机前面说得很清楚了 不想再重复了 我想我的话没有能让你误会我觉得在这里找工很容易吧

中国的我也说过了 我觉得为什么大学生就业难 如果你看完了那一段话的话应该就明白我说找工作容易的是哪些人 任何事情都不能一概而论的

Thanks for giving a good lesson to my bro. He is in US now.

He was using my msn acct for quite a while. I changed my password already. Hopefully, he won't be able to throw posts under my name.

But personally, i think many other guys(major in finance and acct) have a problem in job-hunting for the time being. Off course, most of them  want to have w/e in US after gruaduating there. I think they should have some w/e there. It's better to come back with both w/e and degree than with degree alone.

So I agree with LZ's point of view mostly. LZ is telling the truth, an unpleasant one.  (I mean the market and the h1-b problem)

You probably don't care about a job in US but many other guys do care.  To some degree, you cannot understand the pressures and frustration that those guys go though in job hunting.

LZ's post is a reminder for those who want a job after graduation not for you guys.

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treacy

以下是引用胡搅蛮缠在2008-10-5 11:12:00的发言：

Thanks for giving a good lesson to my bro. He is in US now.

He was using my msn acct for quite a while. I changed my password already. Hopefully, he won't be able to throw posts under my name.

But personally, i think many other guys(major in finance and acct) have a problem in job-hunting for the time being. Off course, most of them  want to have w/e in US after gruaduating there. I think they should have some w/e there. It's better to come back with both w/e and degree than with degree alone.

So I agree with LZ's point of view mostly. LZ is telling the truth, an unpleasant one.  (I mean the market and the h1-b problem)

You probably don't care about a job in US but many other guys do care.  To some degree, you cannot understand the pressures and frastration that those guys go though in job hunting.

LZ' post is a reminder for those who want a job after graduation not for you guys.

同意ls.大多数人家里并不是富得流油，过来美国毕竟是想工作几年再回去的，特别是学msf,mfe的同学。

看看老外的评论吧：

I might be a couple of weeks late (well at least for US programs) in posting this but it could still be useful. Undoubetly, this is the worst crisis since the Great Depression and marks the end of an era of "credit expansion based on the dollar as the international reserve currency". This is probably the worst time anyone could go for an MFE (or equivalent). Students might be hoping that by the time they finish the program, markets would have changed. Well, they sure would be different from what they are now but the returns might not justify the cost of these programs. For those who haven't paid their tuition as yet can still drop out and take up any decent job in cosulting or even finance for that matter. What you don't want is to graduate after making a significant investment with slim possibility of breaking even.

I would be surprised if banks hire more than a person or two from each (top) school through their full time program (if at all). Internships are a common way to get into these banks but in perhaps the most competitive job market in decades, tons of MFEs and MBAs will be trying for the same few spots (again, if at all). This might be debatable but I don't think financial industry will continue to pay the way it has been, particularly because there will be much fewer opportunities to exploit. Owners of this forum may not agree but I think quants will be in a terrible position and will have to settle for nonquant jobs: profitability of top stat arb groups was already declining before the crisis began and the crisis has killed the great 'value premium'; with structured products.... well, we all know what future regulations will do to them.

All in all, for those who haven't started their programs should think about deferring for a couple of years and see how the industry changes and if it will continue to pay the way it has been. Those who have started but haven't paid their tution should do the same. Those who have paid shouldn't think much but convince themselves that they can still do well despite the current (and expected future) conditions.

http://www.wilmott.com/messageview.cfm?catid=16&threadid=65379

fzxc613

以下是引用胡搅蛮缠在2008-10-5 11:12:00的发言：You probably don't care about a job in US but many other guys do care.  To some degree, you cannot understand the pressures and frastration that those guys go though in job hunting.

LZ' post is a reminder for those who want a job after graduation not for you guys.

楼上的说出了我部分心声，我咋就表达不出来呢。。。。。差距啊

胡搅蛮缠

以下是引用fzxc613在2008-10-5 11:33:00的发言：

楼上的说出了我部分心声，我咋就表达不出来呢。。。。。差距啊

Thanks, I am flattered.

You are doing the right thing and I support.

This is my last post, at least in this year.

Stay Lucky!

feynman烨

以下是引用胡搅蛮缠在2008-10-5 11:12:00的发言：

Thanks for giving a good lesson to my bro. He is in US now.

He was using my msn acct for quite a while. I changed my password already. Hopefully, he won't be able to throw posts under my name.

But personally, i think many other guys(major in finance and acct) have a problem in job-hunting for the time being. Off course, most of them  want to have w/e in US after gruaduating there. I think they should have some w/e there. It's better to come back with both w/e and degree than with degree alone.

So I agree with LZ's point of view mostly. LZ is telling the truth, an unpleasant one.  (I mean the market and the h1-b problem)

You probably don't care about a job in US but many other guys do care.  To some degree, you cannot understand the pressures and frustration that those guys go though in job hunting.

LZ's post is a reminder for those who want a job after graduation not for you guys.

你说的观点我都赞同啊  除了关于我的那部分

对lz的意见 我是赞成派 显然还在申请或准备申请的不少人还是缺乏对现实的清醒认识的

莫说遭受不景气影响的msf  我们专业也一样

我只是说 并非每个人都想在美国找个工作 而判断成功与否也不能拿留美与否作标准

诚然对于msf而言留美工作本身对职业发展相当重要 但是lz讲的问题很多也不局限于msf 说的都是中国留学生 毕业去向问题 不管哪个专业都很关心 别的专业的人也很多想留下的

你大概是没有看我说话的上下文吧

whiteshadow

楼主的自我带入太厉害了

fzxc613

啥叫自我带入啊？能解释下不？俺不是中文系的

jiqjiq

他是不是说LZ的观点，带有强烈的个人色彩？
其实我本人比较喜欢看中立的观点，所以可能看LZ的感觉不太舒服。基于你的条件下，我也同意你的观点，因为这显然是对的不能再对的一个命题，呵呵。