国际MBA学生其实在美国找工作挺不容易的.......

feifeifeifei

以下是引用luoe在2003-12-5 18:55:00的发言：
我谈谈我的感想吧.
1,很多MBA课程的设置限制了学生深入学习课程.
据我了解大多美国的MBA PROGRAM中,要求MBA学生在45天内学完4门课程.在这么短的时间里面其实很难深入学习这些课程内容.另外作业,TEAM PROJECT占用了很多时间(这些作业到没有什么难的).然而因为没有深入去掌握相关的理论或有实际经验,不可能把这些PROJECT做得有深度.如果你以前没有学过这些课程,学完后你一般也只知道课程的大概内容.美国人很会做演讲,POWERPOINT也很漂亮,但大多PROJECT的分析没有深度.我以前是学商科的,我觉得我第一学期学的基础课还没有我本科时候学得深.
2,语言能力限制了你交流. 语言能力包括你的听力,口语,写作.GMAT,TOEFL高分并不以为你英语好.在美国有大把GMAT,TOEFL高分的中国人,他们的口语和写作还是被美国人认为不能上宴席.没有充分的交流,你的学习生活会产生更大的问题,同时也限制了你从MBA PROGRAM中收获.
想想在国内,我的工作报告是公认写得很好的,到这里成了...想想在原来国内公司也算可以说话有点影响的人,到这里成了...

呵呵,你以后会感谢这些FRUSTRATION的...下半学期,我就感觉比上半学期好多了...

"我觉得我第一学期学的基础课还没有我本科时候学得深."

我倒觉得这里的基础课比国内本科时学的深,有东西,也可能是我们的PROFESSOR对我们要求比较严... 回想起本科时学的商科类教材,真是翻译得晦涩啊.

usdusaj

Let us do not pput so much hope on the prrogram. An MBA is a degree. If u go to US, learn more about how American think and the game rule of business. Learn how to deal with Americans.

fucus

不得不说， 是个好帖

piloteer

我倒是觉得我学到了很多，我曾经参与过创办企业，方方面面的工作都做过，对我来说，什么是有用的，什么是没用的，我很清楚。所以我更能知道学习的重要。也许这是我和那些“黄埔”（外企）毕业的精英的差别吧。呵呵。

对于mba学习，深入是不必要的，关键是能应用。能去知道为什么，能去问为什么。举个例子，我们statistics的professor是我最喜欢的，他有一句话，我不需要你们去学会怎么做，我要你们看到结果是会去问问为什么，潜台词就是，manager只需要有分析，判断的能力就好了，具体的工作与数据自有专家去做。所以，一个学期4门课，大部分课好几本书，就是为了给你们打下一个基础，如果你有兴趣，自然可以在以后自己深入学习。我觉得在美国学习是靠自己的，教授只是给你指方向。

在这里，我一直很开心。我不断的能把我学习到的知识综合起来，运用起来。前几天和人说利用图形选股票，判断的事。我脑子里马上跳出来了stats上的survivor bias，哈哈。而随着finance的学习，我开始对hedge有了了解。这一直是我很confuse的一个概念。而accounting每一天的学习，我都能从以前的工作中，找到实际的例子。所以，学习对我是很重要很重要

我就觉得经历很重要，呵呵。举个小小的例子，我出了中国后，对中国的很多事情的看法有了点变化。这是环境的变化造成的。这种经历，就是很重要很重要。

hibob

以下是引用piloteer在2003-12-6 22:59:00的发言：
我倒是觉得我学到了很多，我曾经参与过创办企业，方方面面的工作都做过，对我来说，什么是有用的，什么是没用的，我很清楚。所以我更能知道学习的重要。也许这是我和那些“黄埔”（外企）毕业的精英的差别吧。呵呵。

对于mba学习，深入是不必要的，关键是能应用。能去知道为什么，能去问为什么。举个例子，我们statistics的professor是我最喜欢的，他有一句话，我不需要你们去学会怎么做，我要你们看到结果是会去问问为什么，潜台词就是，manager只需要有分析，判断的能力就好了，具体的工作与数据自有专家去做。所以，一个学期4门课，大部分课好几本书，就是为了给你们打下一个基础，如果你有兴趣，自然可以在以后自己深入学习。我觉得在美国学习是靠自己的，教授只是给你指方向。

在这里，我一直很开心。我不断的能把我学习到的知识综合起来，运用起来。前几天和人说利用图形选股票，判断的事。我脑子里马上跳出来了stats上的survivor bias，哈哈。而随着finance的学习，我开始对hedge有了了解。这一直是我很confuse的一个概念。而accounting每一天的学习，我都能从以前的工作中，找到实际的例子。所以，学习对我是很重要很重要

我就觉得经历很重要，呵呵。举个小小的例子，我出了中国后，对中国的很多事情的看法有了点变化。这是环境的变化造成的。这种经历，就是很重要很重要。

请问您是哪所学校的?

Shuzhen

WHEN STELLA CHEN returned to mainland China in mid-2000 after earning an MBA at Boston University and then working there and in Hong Kong for several years, she quickly landed a job as corporate communications manager for Beijing-based Asian Info. Holdings--after turning down an offer at a domestic investment bank. But that was two years ago. If she came back today, finding a job would be tougher, says the 31-year old Shanghai native. "The value of an overseas education hasn't dropped, but it's all about supply and demand. Now, more and more of overseas-educated students want to come back," says Chen.

Just a few years ago, multinational firms desperate to find Chinese-speaking managers with a business background snapped up returnees, offering lavish packages to those with an advanced degree from a foreign university and little or no work experience. But the rising number of Chinese coming back and a growing pool of qualified local talent means the hai gui pai, or the "returned from overseas faction," as the returnees are known, are losing their special allure for employers.

The hai gui pai often overestimate their value. When Charlie Xu, chief Shanghai representative of Swedish systems-design company Intentia, was interviewing candidates for a new finance-manager position, about half the 100 applicants had overseas MBAs. But many lacked relevant work experience and were pricing themselves too high. One overseas graduate with a few years' work experience in London was asking for three times as much money as the successful candidate. "That was definitely a constraint," says Xu. He eventually hired a local certified public accountant with six years of work experience at an international auditing firm.

According to official figures, 400,000 Chinese went overseas for study in the last 20 years. Some 130,000 have returned and the number of returnees is growing by 13% annually. Those with five years or more of overseas work experience can command high salaries, says Jane Jiang, a manager at Alliance Executive Search in Shanghai. For example, a German steel company hired one such returnee as its chief China representative for a salary of $100,000 a year plus a car and a housing allowance. But fresh graduates and those with only two-to-three years' work experience can only expect to earn $600-725 a month. "The market has more fresh MBA grads now. The competition is very tough," adds Jiang.

Companies are also increasingly localizing management, to save money and build a strong domestic team. "We have a local grooming programme. That means we are hiring fresh graduates [from local universities]. Returnees expect too much. They are not really a high priority," says Dan Dan Chang, HSBC's public affairs manager in mainland China. The growing number of foreign MBA programmes offered through Chinese universities has improved the quality of the local talent pool, points out Michael Ning, manager of corporate communications for Motorola China. Ning himself has several degrees from local universities and will get an MBA through a joint programme. "From the point of view of Motorola, the management prefers localization," he says.

Some returnee candidates will still be in demand, though. The major multinationals will want people with overseas and local work experience for mid-level and senior-management jobs, forecasts Alliance's Jiang. Indeed, a recent Hewitt Associates study suggests that there is a shortage of talent in mid- to senior-level management. "Adaptability, problem-solving ability, deep technical knowledge--this is really in short supply," says Shanghai-based Hewitt Associates manager Simon Keeley.

And the right returnee candidates still command a premium. A 2001 study released in September by Hewitt Associates found that mainland returnee green-card holders--those who have acquired legal residency status in the United States--got better salary increases than employees with no overseas experience. The study also indicated that they also tend to get better benefits--40.7% got life, personal accident or travel insurance and 22.2% got a housing allowance.

A Canadian MBA school sending a returnee back to staff its Shanghai office gave her the same benefits as in Canada, says Linda Liu, a manager at executive-search firm Imprint Search & Select. "If someone has been living overseas for five years and had medical insurance, then suddenly doesn't have it, it is kind of hard for them," says Liu.

fucus

我考！ shuzhen，你牛！

piloteer

我在BU

funnytiger

Stella Chen is a special case, remember in 2000, not that many people are willing to go back to China.
actully, even in 2001, a US MBA is a diamond in China. now it is 2003, and most of us will not get into market until 2005.
The past cannot be a thing that we hope to repeat on us. (and I agree, we may see new opportunities somewhere else)

cthd007

以下是引用piloteer在2003-12-6 22:59:00的发言：

对我来说，什么是有用的，什么是没用的，我很清楚。所以我更能知道学习的重要。

对于mba学习，深入是不必要的，关键是能应用。能去知道为什么，能去问为什么。

我觉得在美国学习是靠自己的，教授只是给你指方向。

我就觉得经历很重要，呵呵。举个小小的例子，我出了中国后，对中国的很多事情的看法有了点变化。这是环境的变化造成的。这种经历，就是很重要很重要。

顶一下。