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楼主
发表于 2007-6-6 14:11:00 | 只看该作者

咨询公司&公关公司

以前有些公司都有顾问。那么当顾问为多个公司服务时,且多个顾问组成个顾问团(咨询公司)为多个公司当顾问

所以,咨询公司的本质就是一个人打多份自由工作。也可以说是人力资源公司或顾问公司

它的特点是跳槽率高,自立门户多。进入并拥有客户资源以后,自己也可以独立开咨询公司。

?咨询行业提供解决战略方案,看上去很漂亮,  好看不中用,只是拿来忽悠客户眼光,让客户感觉着此咨询公司就很“吊” 。为什么?因为员工背景" diao"加上模型好看。所以咨询公司招的员工几乎都是很强的背景,还有口才很牛!

例子:国际牛X咨询公司为联想公司的IBM电脑业务咨询,成功的么?大家可以讨论。。。。。。。。

不过,得承认咨询公司很精明。因为他们最大化去动用人际关系,同时使自己的网络成倍扩大。

鄙视的是,为什么要用"咨询”这个词汇呢?,还是用公关比较“准确”。

再鄙视的是,为什么中国人追求到外企咨询公司工作呢?

当然国际事务时,我们必须有求于他们。反过来( 当面对国内事务时)恰好相反。但现在是中国热,知道么?

所以中国人也可以自己创立什么XX咨询公司与Mckinsey con.媲美。因为中国人毕竟了解中国情况。

”吊“的是你,而不是咨询公司。为什么不倒过来,中国XX咨询公司招聘国外员工为开辟海外市场

补充:以后咨询公司数目在中国肯定指数增长。看来赚钱还得扩大自己的社会关系啊!

----“diao"字眼不文雅敬请谅解!!


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沙发
发表于 2007-6-6 15:38:00 | 只看该作者

光明不就被谁谁谁给害过么?

咨询公司很多时候就是揣摩公司上层的意图,做一把刀而已。高手过招,一般都会说我用的刀是那个地方什么质材的,净重多少多少。

我不信那些公司里面的MBA干得比咨询的差。

板凳
 楼主| 发表于 2007-6-6 15:42:00 | 只看该作者

这就是组织理论啊!哈哈....

社会结构和社会阶级问题啊。。。。

地板
发表于 2007-6-6 15:50:00 | 只看该作者

我是想创立法律事务所的,所以得先看看外所怎么做,内所怎么做?

想去外企咨询公司的,也应有不少人有中国雄心的,可能时机未到吧

天时,地利,人和缺一样不可。

觉得中国现在缺的是人。

二十年后 是我们这一代的天下 就会不同的!

5#
 楼主| 发表于 2007-6-6 15:52:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用l198423在2007-6-6 15:50:00的发言:

我是想创立法律事务所的,所以得先看看外所怎么做,内所怎么做?

想去外企咨询公司的,也应有不少人有中国雄心的,可能时机未到吧

天时,地利,人和缺一样不可。

觉得中国现在缺的是人。

二十年后 是我们这一代的天下 就会不同的!

其实缺乏是人脉资源和资历,还有就是financement

6#
发表于 2007-6-6 15:54:00 | 只看该作者

savoir valoriser

让我想起哥伦布和鸡蛋的故事


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7#
发表于 2007-6-6 23:26:00 | 只看该作者

I agree that there are some unsuccessful cases in consulting industry, that not all international consulting companies are great, and that not everyone in the industries are brilliant -- just like any other industry does.

However, I think LZ you are very unfamiliar with the nature of consulting companies and have no clues at all what they do for the clients.    While, you are also not in a very objective mood / perspective.

Consulting companies tend to hire people with strong background is the fact, but that's because the nature of the work.  The work requires you learn very fast (pick up the problem within 2 weeks), you identify the problems, make hypothesis, priority resources, develop solutions, and sometimes, help the client to implement.   Also, since consultants are dealing with top management team / middle management team who are normally older and more experienced than you, so consultants should know how to endure pressures, deal with relationship (esp. the company politics), convince clients using their languages, and, well, have some experience, client-industry specific or board working/living/oversea experience.           So, people from top MBA is a great match to consulting.    Smart, aggressive, strong analytical skills and problem solving ability, great personalities, profound work & life experience, and workaholic.    But I also agree with LZ that such profiles make it easy to sell the projects, but are never a necessary assurance of the quality of the solutions they develop.

International consulting firms have great knowledge management system, as well as great methodologies, in other words, the frameworks to guide and make sure the quality of the analysis and problem-solving processes.    It's the essence of consulting firms, that's the thing international firms having advantages over local firms.   But whether you apply the framework well or turn out the best / most suitable implementation results,  depends on the consultants. Whether they are ethical in dealing with conflicts of interests, whether they work hard enough, and yes, whether they understand Chinese market.   Believe it or not, international consulting firms have a very prominent localization trend, and the implementation teams consist of an even higher rate of local people -- which won't make them in an disadvantage of the local firms.   While their foreign employees sometimes could provide different perspective/insights of similar cases in oversea market and let companies in China avoid the same bumps, and their experiences in the already-in-the-mature-stage-of-life-cycle industry in which Chinese industry only in the early stage.      So, working for an international firms sometimes will enable consultants gain experience within short time frame, and more professional in dealing with oversea business partners.

I do believe someday, there will be sophisticated Chinese firms providing service in oversea market.    Just like as of the construction / technical kind of Chinese consulting do overseas these days, while Chinese business consulting firm is just not ready yet.          And nowadays, when overseas company coming into China, they just select the most appropiate consulting firm to serve them, no matter it's international or Chinese firms,  so LZ, please also don't make such a unbreakable line between Chinese firms and international ones.

Well, also don't assume that IPO strategy / oversea expansion strategy are the only things international consulting companies could provide.

Meanwhile, public relation firm is far more sophisticated than its literal meaning.   You are too negative towards it.   Also, in terms of building your own relationships then start your own company -- which industry does not have such cases?

Just that you don't see some not so positive cases doesn't mean this industry is NONSENSE!

No offense. And I'm not from the company you named in your argument.


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 楼主| 发表于 2007-6-7 00:20:00 | 只看该作者

Yeah, beside ananlysing macro-economics and making the evaluation about the company, we must take the factors of international politics and culture of other nations into the model of strategy.

But in practice,no project, no profit! Then the model is nothing , whether it is the best . The most important thing for the manager is how to win the bid of project,but  not focus on the model. 

In China, no relationship with the governement,no way to behold some big projects.One time , one of the managers of Morgen Stanley said that they needed to find some one who has some channels with the governement. No strong background with the governement, given that your model is so complexe and perfect, to be sure that you gonna win ?


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发表于 2007-6-7 02:27:00 | 只看该作者

I agree relationship & background is very important in China for every business.  You just named the example from other industry here, xixi, but what's your point here?

There is KPI for the manager such as "the amount of money you could bring in", which is, apparantly, an emphasis on sales.    But there are other KPIs such as AR turnover, new projects generating from existing client, and customer statisfactory index, which, typically, depends on the quality of the deliverables and the feedback from the client.   (and don't think clients are stupid, who'll make mistake a 2nd or 3rd time )

So, I think in the practical world, NO Project, NO Revenue;   NO successful delivery, NO profits! 

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发表于 2007-6-7 09:40:00 | 只看该作者

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