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51#
发表于 2007-4-5 05:09:00 | 只看该作者

在CD论坛上,一直以索取者被帮助者身份出现,因为个人学识和经历的原因。

非常钦佩携隐,phxmu,yaoyao等这些无私帮助人的版主,也以此勉励自己,努力尽自己的微薄之力,帮助身边的每一个人。

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-4-5 05:23:00 | 只看该作者
这贴变成感谢贴了...呵呵。很感激大家,不过这不是我的本意......只是希望敲个警钟,说说论坛上最近的“怪”现象。大家看完过就可以了...
53#
发表于 2007-4-5 05:42:00 | 只看该作者
来晚了,虽然携隐已经这么说了,虽然之前也说过几次了,虽然看上去有点狗腿,我还是要再感激一把,呵呵。

从考G开始就一直看携隐的帖子,就像另一位ross student说的,携隐可能自己没考到750,但因为得到携隐帮助而考到750的在CD上真的很多,我就是其中一个。再到后来了解学校,得到像携隐这样、以及其他学校很多current students无私地摆摊、不厌其烦地解答被问了一遍又一遍的问题,正因为有了你们,才有了一批批考到高分、申请到理想学校的后来人。其实学业那么忙,真正有几个人能做到始终如一地用那么多宝贵时间,不计报酬地帮助别人。

至于那些喜欢说风凉话、挑起事端的,只能说,他们的人品还没有到达一定的水准,也懒得去理。即使暂时进了什么top school,top firm,in the end, they are still the biggest losers.
54#
发表于 2007-4-5 07:21:00 | 只看该作者

Thanks XieYin and everybody for speaking out. It's really important for us to learn well how to really appreciate others. We all have one whole life to live while only one mere live to life. For me success is to make happier those how love me and win the respect from those who I love.

 

And thanks CD, for giving us meaningful moments in life.


[此贴子已经被作者于2007-4-5 7:21:53编辑过]
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发表于 2007-4-5 10:48:00 | 只看该作者

支持携隐

支持和谢谢携隐,携隐版的答案很好。谈到选校,对于中国学生来说,是一个很大挑战,似乎唯一的评核标准就是四大排名,WSJ、BW、USNews和Financial Times。商校在评核学生时只是将GMAT作为其中一个标准,而我们往往将排名和中国人心中的认知度作为全部标准,这是挺无奈的,因为谁可以在决定选择的时候能去美国听一听公开课,真正和不同层次的学生进行交流。我只能说,我们需要更勇敢一点,拿出学校拒绝高分GMAT、录取低分GMAT的申请人的勇气。这是一件非常有趣的事,也许几年之后,再回想这段经历......

56#
发表于 2007-4-5 12:11:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用kkkkk1在2007-4-5 10:48:00的发言:

商校在评核学生时只是将GMAT作为其中一个标准,而我们往往将排名和中国人心中的认知度作为全部标准,这是挺无奈的,


 

This is not only sadly true, but truly sad.

To echo your point, according to a NYTimes article on undergraduate admissions in the US, "Harvard turned down 1,100 student applicants with perfect 800 scores on the SAT math exam. Yale rejected several applicants with perfect 2400 scores on the three-part SAT, and Princeton turned away thousands of high school applicants with 4.0 grade point averages."

I have been doing alumni interviews (for undergraduate admissions) for my alma mater in the New York area for the past 5 years or so, in addition to having gone through the process described by the quote above.  I think the level of fervor Chinese students exhibit in their pursuit of rankings and their perceived brand value is an unfortunate byproduct of the type of education they've received, whereby competition is extremely fierce, yet the only metric that matter are the rankings of the school and the student.

When we interview high school students, we are reminded each year that we should seek to discover something about each student that goes beyond what is contained on his/her application.  It is certainly an accomplishment to have gotten high scores on standardized tests, received good grades, and won academic awards.  But these accolades alone are far from sufficient in convincing the interviewer and the admissions committee that this student will make a good candidate for the incoming class.  Everything being relatively equal, we would be much more likely to focus on the student's extra-curricular activities, and the level of dedication shown in participating in those activities.  Because colleges and universities want to have a student body made of students who are not just good students academically, but also students with a sense of self, and a desire to develop into a well-rounded individual for the future.  The emphasis is often on evaluating just how "well-rounded" the person is, and this evaluation cannot be easily quantified, as many Chinese students perhaps wish, but rather is "felt" and expressed by the enthusiasm the student may show in describing his/her favorite hobby, an organization where he/she spends the most time outside school hours volunteering, a particular artistic or musical talent that he/she truly enjoys (as opposed to being forced to play because his/her parents thought it would be a good idea), and so on.

What I've just described may seem inconceivable, or even unfair to many of the students and perspective students here at CD, but honestly, the sooner you realize that your ultimate success will be measured not by your GMAT/GRE/TOEFL scores, but by how well you can use your skills and talents to accomplish something unique and meaningful, the more likely you'll lead a balanced, successful life.


[此贴子已经被作者于2007-4-5 12:15:37编辑过]
57#
发表于 2007-4-5 14:13:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用glzhao在2007-4-5 12:11:00的发言:


 

This is not only sadly true, but truly sad.

To echo your point, according to a NYTimes article on undergraduate admissions in the US, "Harvard turned down 1,100 student applicants with perfect 800 scores on the SAT math exam. Yale rejected several applicants with perfect 2400 scores on the three-part SAT, and Princeton turned away thousands of high school applicants with 4.0 grade point averages."

I have been doing alumni interviews (for undergraduate admissions) for my alma mater in the New York area for the past 5 years or so, in addition to having gone through the process described by the quote above.  I think the level of fervor Chinese students exhibit in their pursuit of rankings and their perceived brand value is an unfortunate byproduct of the type of education they've received, whereby competition is extremely fierce, yet the only metric that matter are the rankings of the school and the student.

When we interview high school students, we are reminded each year that we should seek to discover something about each student that goes beyond what is contained on his/her application.  It is certainly an accomplishment to have gotten high scores on standardized tests, received good grades, and won academic awards.  But these accolades alone are far from sufficient in convincing the interviewer and the admissions committee that this student will make a good candidate for the incoming class.  Everything being relatively equal, we would be much more likely to focus on the student's extra-curricular activities, and the level of dedication shown in participating in those activities.  Because colleges and universities want to have a student body made of students who are not just good students academically, but also students with a sense of self, and a desire to develop into a well-rounded individual for the future.  The emphasis is often on evaluating just how "well-rounded" the person is, and this evaluation cannot be easily quantified, as many Chinese students perhaps wish, but rather is "felt" and expressed by the enthusiasm the student may show in describing his/her favorite hobby, an organization where he/she spends the most time outside school hours volunteering, a particular artistic or musical talent that he/she truly enjoys (as opposed to being forced to play because his/her parents thought it would be a good idea), and so on.

What I've just described may seem inconceivable, or even unfair to many of the students and perspective students here at CD, but honestly, the sooner you realize that your ultimate success will be measured not by your GMAT/GRE/TOEFL scores, but by how well you can use your skills and talents to accomplish something unique and meaningful, the more likely you'll lead a balanced, successful life.


Very Insightful!!!

Very good article for the ppl preparing the application to b-school...

58#
发表于 2007-4-5 14:37:00 | 只看该作者
帖子刚刚走上正题,顶一下
59#
发表于 2007-4-5 15:01:00 | 只看该作者

携隐粉丝团么?~~算上我~

从考G开始,一直欣赏JJ的品质和亲和力,非常崇拜~~

60#
发表于 2007-4-5 16:17:00 | 只看该作者

携隐mm这贴真是及时啊...我在CD就上了4个版:GMAT,TOEFL,B-school生活和本版....

虽然我只申请40-50的学校,和申top的没啥冲突竞争,但感觉申请区这版还真让人不舒服,...我还以为一向如此呢,幸好携隐mm仗义执言啊,我差点儿就撤了,以为cd上申MBA都是IB的(IB我也是好久才搞懂是投资银行的意思),而且这些人好像都是非街上不混的...汗啊...

再次感谢mm

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