claremont竟然说employment不是问题！/UMN和RutgersHR的就业形势

petitblue

“Until this year, I estimate that perhaps 75% of international students found summer internships and perhaps 35% found full-time positions in the United States. But these are just estimates. Moreover, I expect these statistics to be lower this year because we have more international students this year (so a lower fraction will find internships or jobs).

 

Most of the companies that recruit on campus at Carlson are large U.S. companies with operations all over the United States and the world. Unfortunately, for most companies, the non-US hiring takes place in their local offices in the relevant countries. On-campus recruiters are typically not able to interview international students for positions in their home country (though some will sometimes be able to provide contacts in a home country for an international student to contact). I don't have your resume in front of me so I don't know how much full-time work experience you have, but having 2-5 years of full-time work experience after completing one's undergraduate degree really helps with placement in the United States. Otherwise, you need to decide if our degree is a good fit for you based on the placement opportunities in China, not in the United States.”

 

收到UMN，Rutgers和Claremont的AD之后便开始思索选校一事。

CD上最推崇的应该是UMN，我私底下也问了不少朋友。其中有一个朋友在Carleton College毕业后去了NY做HR Consulting。

她强烈不建议我去UMN（喜欢UMN朋友别拍砖哦。。）她的原因如下：

1。HR service itself is considered a general profession, so for international students, there's a very slight chance that you would get hired in a city where most companies are localized rather than globalized

2。for a general profession, even though your employers like you, they will not be able to sponsor your work visa, in order to acquire a work visa, the kind of work you do has to be "international" in some way or other that ties to your international background and MN has more of a demand for domestic services than international services, therefore, companies would much prefer a local employee than an international one.

发生了这段对话之后，我便email给UMN和Rutgers询问相关信息，于是就最上面的那段回应。。。

" I would say that in both schools there are challenges in finding employment for international students.  This is based on employer’s reluctance to sponsor, not so much that there aren’t positions.  

I would say that given Rutger’s location, we are at a distinct advantage in attracting the top Fortune 100 Corporations.  We are 30 mile west of NYC and 60 miles north of Phila."

这是Rutgers给我的回应...

“All of our students, including international students, have been able to find employment before or after graduating. I can have a student contact you to share their experience with the process of finding an HR job. We have a great network of students, faculty, and alumni. Typically, we receive phone calls and emails almost on a daily basis for job openings. Therefore, employment hasn’t been a concern for our graduates. 

In regards to your question on class size, the typical class size is 12 students.”

这是claremont HR Design Program 的director回信给我的内容，看完之后，懵了。。。

竟然不在意employment。。请问大家怎么看待的啊。。谢谢

虽然很早就知道找工作最重要靠自己，但是寻找一个具有更多机会的学校是不是也很重要?

愿07年申HR的朋友们一起探讨一下。。^_^

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-4-4 21:52:34编辑过]

stefaniehappy

顶。希望在美国的前辈们给点意见哈

petitblue

以下是引用stefaniehappy在2007-4-1 13:39:00的发言：
顶。希望在美国的前辈们给点意见哈

哈哈，一起顶

Huangzizeng

不知道这个专业啊.

petitblue

唉。。大家对这个话题估计都看腻了吧。。。

wingflyc

每个人的想法都不一样，找工作这件事情真的很难考虑

顺便说说，UMN的HRIR program去年有20多个Chinese，今年应该也会有20个左右（如果都接受了它家的ad），占了一个班的将近1/3……

arnoldg

以下是引用petitblue在2007-4-1 9:23:00的发言：

她强烈不建议我去UMN（喜欢UMN朋友别拍砖哦。。）她的原因如下：

1。HR service itself is considered a general profession, so for international students, there's a very slight chance that you would get hired in a city where most companies are localized rather than globalized

2。for a general profession, even though your employers like you, they will not be able to sponsor your work visa, in order to acquire a work visa, the kind of work you do has to be "international" in some way or other that ties to your international background and MN has more of a demand for domestic services than international services, therefore, companies would much prefer a local employee than an international one.

以上两点都不成立。

1。“in a city where most companies are localized rather than globalized”， MN－TC在美国是500强公司数量相当高的一个城市，除非你认为F500都是local公司不够globalized。

 2。H1b只要求和你的专业相关即可。“the kind of work you do has to be "international" in some way“， 从来没有过这样的要求。

只是纠正两点错误，并不是说在美国找工作容易，不要误解。“Most international students are still having rough time in finding a job.” 如果你很优秀，那怕什么？同时这两个programs都不错，各有优势。 

galluplinc

国际学生找工作当然是难，尤其是我们念HR的。不过如果大家出国前能像arnoldg那样有个几年HR工作经验，找工作还是不会那么头疼的。

现在国际学生面临的两个主要问题，一是自我定位，二是H1B。其实说起来都是自我定位的问题。前者我就不说了，至于后者，办H1B也不一定非得让你的公司帮你办，自己出5000美元找专业律师代办也是可以的。如果办H1B这道麻烦事儿给砍掉，虽然破费了点钱财，但是你能看到的将是一片更广袤的森林^_^

arnoldg

Kevin很久不见了，一切可好？我这两学期修课比较多，基本准备年底就毕业了。你是找工作还是继续Phd？

File H1b一定要快，自己可以DIY，但是一定要以公司sponsor的名义去办。过了65，000的限额就比较头疼了，后面20，000的补充名额基本给有Phd的国际学生了。H1b和OPT之间的gap是比较讨厌的。

sadona_chu

顶，各位继续讨论。