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我也请各位同仁看看以该背景能申请到哈佛吗?

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发表于 2007-1-22 11:39:00 | 只看该作者

Hmm. Interesting.  The "what do I want" part is clear.  I would recommend giving more thoughts on "what can I give" and "why me."  Can you make a convincing argument on you being an invaluable contribution to the learning experience of your classmates and demonstrate that you will be a worthy investment and a successful alumni going down that path?

Have you thought about the JD/MBA program?

http://www.hbs.edu/mba/academics/jdmba.html

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发表于 2007-1-22 19:21:00 | 只看该作者

既然你想去读,挤时间也申请吧,当然也不要放弃香港的机会,否则机会成本很大。 时间就像海绵里的水,只要挤总还是会有的。不要小视人类的潜力啊!

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-1-23 23:35:00 | 只看该作者

JD/ MBA joint degree! Oh, Yaoyao really wants me ending up in school! Kidding! Actually I indeed considered the JD/ MBA joint degree, but I do not think there is any chance for me to get into a top JD program. My LAST score is poor and unfortunately the weight of LSAT score in JD admission is much heavier than that of GMAT in MBA admission. Many law schools calculate the multiple LSAT scores averagely, so once you get a low score, you will be out. Plus, I do not think JD program is that suitable for my career goal as lots of the time of JD study will spend on basic US law subjects such as Constitution, Criminal, Contract, Evidence, Torts, Trusts, Civil and Criminal procedure, etc. which differentiate from Chinese law system. And you need to stay in school for four years-really a lot of time and a huge investment!

To make a convincing argument on what I can give and why me part (I can not predict how convincing it could be as it is just my rough thoughts):

I assume most part of the learning experience in MBA is case study and group discussion. As being a lawyer, I frequently address a real problem and dilemma in real world from a feasible perspective and to assist clients to overcome the problem within legal framework. I can provide the down-to-earth and practicable thoughts when discussion and let the group discussion do not go that far. Secondly, lawyer has relatively strong reasoning and analysis ability and is accustomed to think logically. Many puzzles in the real business world should be addressed logically, if I participate, I will try to let the discussion and learning go on in order. Thirdly, I usually conduct the risk analysis and try my best to exempt clients form facing real problems and challenges in the future. When making a decision for the business matters presented in the cases, I will try to seek the best balance between the risk and opportunity and let the classmates pay attention to other aspects he or she may not think about. Last but not least, law is always related to the bottom line of the society and common sense of humankind, to stay at the bottom line and apply the common sense when facing virtually all of the circumstances and situations no matter how challenged it could be, people may make sound decision and avoid making big mistakes. I will try to stay at the bottom line and apply the common sense as possible as I can and may remind classmates some principles they may ignore.

In addition, I also have a four-year management degree and had run a family business under supervision for one year. I also had exercised my sense to grasp the business opportunity and benefit –seeking instinct. I would like to combine above-mentioned four advantages with the business sense and instinct when making contribution to the class.

The demonstration that I will be a successful alumni going down the patch of firstly practicing in financial industry and finally a good policy-maker: I have got to know many financial rules and principles and have assist clients securing many IPO, M & A, and project financing deals. If I further have first-hand experiences in relevant field, I shall have an extensive insight into the financial industry. In addition, practicing law, contact with authorities and taking part in the law drafting process allow me to think broadly and from macro-perspective, but further practice in specialized financial industry will allow me think specifically and from micro-perspective. A policy-maker shall think broadly and do not ignore the details. The most important thing is that policy-maker shall formulate the policy for the purpose of the benefit of most of the people and the well-being of the society as a whole. In the previous experience of taking part in law drafting process and volunteering in NGO, I was constantly educated to think for the public’s benefits by many great brains and have determined to dedicate to the course of better the public’s economic and financial status. If I have any contribution to formulate a good policy to save money could have been wasted and bring real benefit to most of the people especially the disadvantaged groups, I would deem myself have been successful!


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发表于 2007-1-24 04:15:00 | 只看该作者

your english is damn good. I am so surprised that you didn't get a good score on LSAT.

I agree with you that LLM may not be a good option. However, you need to give yourself a realistic goal. MBA is not equal to Wall Street, there is a risk and you are competing with the best. Furthermore, you are getting old, your window of opportunity on the STREET is getting smaller (you will be 29 or 30 when you graduate)

if you are going after money, JD will yield you better results. The lawyer is a life time thing vs. Wall street where only young and blood-thirsty survives.

it is up to you, I will say give both sides some consideration.

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-1-24 20:38:00 | 只看该作者
楼上过奖了。我的英语真的达不到可以把LSAT分考到很高的地步。至于读MBA的机会成本问题,我也考虑过,并不是所有顶尖商学院的毕业生都会迈进华尔街的顶级投行。但试试吧,也许进不了投行在纽约的办事处,进香港北京也很不错了。我的志向一直在国内,我真实想法是在投行干几年熟悉一下他们的操作和金融实践,然后看有没有机会混进国家的财政金融部门。据我了解,现在的中央政府财政金融部门有很多类似海龟背景的占据要职,当然也有很多受到排挤和诟病。相信以后中央政府财政金融部门包括类似汇金公司这样的半政府金融机构用人的机会更多。当然从投行出来去政府部门的这个路径并不是很畅通,在政府部门想拥有权力去改变制度不会那么简单,不过我会朝这方向努力。我同意干法律是越老越吃香,但我志已不在此,就算是做到外国律所的合伙人(年薪近千万)对我的吸引也不是很大。读MBA一部分是功利的想法,如出来更多更快的赚钱,往自己身上贴一下名牌大学的标签等等。但更重要的在于经历吧,克服自我天性去不断陈述自己的看法,与同学之间持续到毕业以后的友谊,学习的苦和获知的乐,学校的相对单纯环境,以及重新面对找工作的期待和兴奋以及困惑,为找工作的自我准备和提升,独自在异国他乡学会怎样更好的生存等等,这些都是经历,我想若干年这些都会变成财富吧!
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-1-28 17:20:00 | 只看该作者
听取了朋友们的建议,重新申了投行的职位。不想有意外之喜,收到了Goldman Sachs 面试通知。这比几个月前我申请了几家投行一点回音(没申高盛之类的顶级投行)都没有要好多了。我申的是高盛高华北京IBG方面的职位。是一位 base in HK的叫Adrienne给我打的电话。从来没有试过投行面试,茫然不知将发生什么。盼高人指点一二!如果能有机会进的话,一两年内也许我就取消申MBA的计划。先谢过了!
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发表于 2007-1-28 21:22:00 | 只看该作者
最好了解基础的金融会计知识
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发表于 2007-1-28 23:43:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用longbright在2007-1-28 17:20:00的发言:
听取了朋友们的建议,重新申了投行的职位。不想有意外之喜,收到了Goldman Sachs 面试通知。这比几个月前我申请了几家投行一点回音(没申高盛之类的顶级投行)都没有要好多了。我申的是高盛高华北京IBG方面的职位。是一位 base in HK的叫Adrienne给我打的电话。从来没有试过投行面试,茫然不知将发生什么。盼高人指点一二!如果能有机会进的话,一两年内也许我就取消申MBA的计划。先谢过了!

高盛高华在疯狂招人呢,刚搬了新地方,屋子大的很!他们现在业务太好了,所以招了很多local 非 MBA做 Associate。你如果进去了,也确实不一定读MBA了。一般投行面试主要这么几个方面:1.Why IB? 2. Why GSGH? 3. Why you? 4. Technical questions about Finance, Accounting (might be tough, so ask for help from ex-bankers! )

Best luck!!!

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 楼主| 发表于 2007-3-21 17:00:00 | 只看该作者
谢谢各位朋友的帮助。通报一声我申请高盛最终还是被拒了,也许因为金融财务知识不过关吧。虽然很多人对投行的感觉很mixed,但说实话要进去真是老大不容易了。准备备战明年的申请,盼望同仁与我联系畅谈申请过程中的种种。我的msn:edwardlee1980[在] yahoo.com.cn
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发表于 2007-3-21 18:30:00 | 只看该作者

seems ur experience is very interesting...you do hv a shot for HBS as long as you can position ur interesting stories into essays in a right way.

Good luck~!!

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