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wargame

以下是引用citigroupztc在2006-12-20 17:34:00的发言：
Please always remember. You are paying 150K USD (=1,200K RMB), and infinitely worse, 2 years of your life. Just think really hard about it before making any decision. If you think you want to pay that kind of money and your life for some so-so MBA, do it. I will not and cannot stop you. But the stake is on you. If you go to M7, there's a chance that you will not land your dream job in the U.S. But if you look at opportunities in Asia. Top companies are just crazy for your degree because you went to the prestigious M7. Let's be realistic. In Asia, especially in China, people respect your degree more than you as a person. If you graduate from Darden, people will not give as much respect as they do if you were a M7 graduate. Besides, doing an MBA is not the only way to get ahead in life. With 150K USD, I think you can think of a better use than doing a so-so MBA. Maybe starting your own business, maybe something else. It's up to you.

讲实话， 您这个说得确实有道理， 也是替大家着想， 本意是个好心， 能看出来。

不过150K放现在， 基本也不算个啥了， 一套房。 2年么， 在公司呆着也是个呆着， 在哪都是个浪费啊。 MBA， 就我看， 也说点大实话， 也是两种人， 一种， 早就有了合理的人生规划的， 毕业出来就进IB， 进MC， 对吧， 然后一级级升， 到了需要了， 来个MBA， 一般真牛的， 公司就给掏钱了， 另外， 好学校抢着收， 考试申请这种东西， 那叫如臂使指， 当然是非M7不去； 另种， 早期规划得不是很好的。 像您这样在美国读本科的， 见多识广， 又年轻， 有朝气， 这样的人在现今的中国人里， 毕竟是个少数， 您要回到到我们当年看看， 高中毕业， 志愿都是爸妈给挑的， 爸妈也是在欧美呆过的人， 可就是没听说过IB，MC这些玩意儿， 成绩好的都往工科院校去， 也不管自己喜欢不喜欢。 行了， 毕了业， 又六七年下来了， 再高一级学位也读了， 工作也中等吧， 职能也就那样， 腐败也腐败过了， 钱也凑合有点， 再混， 三年五载还真看不见能当总监， 要想公司报销读书的钱， 没门儿。 考考试， 联系一下， M7， 看着悬， DARDEN这样TOP15的， 去不去？ 去了， 有好工作做， 没好工作， 大不了回原行业继续混贝。  从读大学以来多少年都耽误了， 还在乎耽误这一两年么。 亚洲认牌子， 可也只有真正几个IB， MC懂M7， 剩下的， 你跟他说佛吉尼亚兴许差点， 说耶鲁， 说UC， 人家还是听说过的。 这现在信息这么发达， 哪个学校的校友还没见过几个啊， 有混得好的， IB， MC的也绝对有。 我不是DARDEN的FANS， 但是他们的校友我还真见过在顶级IB的， 就是我的一个好朋友， 转行， MBA出来时， 在小投行， 做几年拿了CFA， 逮住个机会， 转顶级行贝。 MC的类似我相信也有， 只不过我没见着而已。 别的学校的， 光面试就见了不下一打中国人， M7以外， 混得好的比比皆是。 当然肯定也有很多不成的， 不成的估计就不愿意出来当INTERVIEWER。 那也未必就不值， 练个拉丁舞还得多少钱呢， 更何况在外面住两年， 全当练口语。 国内的同志们不了解情况， 确实需要您提供的信息。 不过也不至于说完全没有心理准备， 好比， 拿不到那几万年薪咋办， 好比必须回原行业咋办， 大家都是混了这么久的人了， 哪能这点思量都没有。又不是大清国末年往旧金山拉苦力， 现在信息这么发达，  您把您的观点说清楚就好了，大家肯定会拿来和其它信息一起参考， 比较的。 别惹校友们不高兴了， 你看有人说UVA本科不好， 你也不高兴不是。 己所不欲勿施于人嘛。 另外， 说人家拿了好OFFER再来跟你讲， 这种态度实在是。。。， 您再斟酌斟酌吧。 打住了。 (好比， 比如您这名字CITIGROUP啥啥， CITI的人俺也是见过得， 烂学校的也有去的啊。 不一定是您的UVA才能去， 当然人家机会肯定比您少， 那有个机会总比没有好。 当然如果您不是CITI的， 就当我没说好了) 

 

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-12-20 18:44:20编辑过]

vivaivy

hehe.说句大实话，现在这个年代，网络比较发达，一个学校到底好不好，不难知道吧。citi同志，不要把国内的土鳖就看的这么土了。
是，许多人的本科是在国内读的，但是不代表这些人不了解美国。
UVA是一所公立学校，美国公立学校本来就不如私立好，公立学校里，如果Umich可以排第一，UVA最多也就排第二。上UVA的人，如果不是在州内的，图学费便宜，就是不知怎么没上私立了，肯定是没有更加努力，所以没上成Yale和Havard。（用楼主的思维思考得到的结果）
就UVA各个学科的排名而言，darden肯定不是其中差的。甚至可以算是中上鸟。
所以，应该相信在一个经济的社会里，每个人的决定都是理性的。赫赫。

U.S. News & World Report
Rankings
2007 America's Best Colleges
Issue
August 2006
-- U.S. News & World Report's latest college rankings placed the
University of Virginia as the nation's #2 public university and 24th (tied with
the University of Michigan) among all (248) national universities. Since
U.S. News began a separate listing of the top 50 public universities in
1998, U.Va. has never been lower than No. 2. In the 20-year history of the
rankings, U.Va. has never dropped out of the top 25 listing.

    
        
            
                
            
                
                
            
                
                

University of Virginia, for 2007
2nd	Best Public University
24th	Best Public/Private National University (tied with University of Michigan)

    

Schools, Departments and
Programs. Not all schools or programs
are rated every year, so the date the last ranking is posted in parentheses.
Please note that new information will be added as it becomes
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6th	Architecture School, Graduate Programs (1997)
8th	Law School                     (2007)
	9th	International Law (2007)
	11th	Tax Law                     (2007)
9th	McIntire School of Commerce (2007 - tied with University of Southern California)
	8th	Management (2007)
	12th	Finance (2007)
	13th	Marketing                     (2007)
	16th	Management Information Systems (2006)
	20th	Entrepreneurship (2005)
	22nd	International Business (2007)
	19th	Accounting (2007)
12th	English Department, Graduate Programs (2006)
	3rd	18th-20th Century British Literature (2006)
	5th	American Literature before 1865 (2006)
	7th	American Literature after 1865 (2006)
	9th	African-American Literature (2006)
12th	Biomedical Engineering Department                         (2006)*
13th	Darden Graduate School of Business Administration                         (2007)
	6th	Non-profit (2007)
	7th	Management (2007)
	17th	Marketing (2007)
	20th	Entrepreneurship (2007)
	21rd	Finance (2007)
	29th	Accounting (2007)
14th	Physics Department, Graduate Program: Atomic/Molecular/Optical/Plasma (2002)
19th	Curry School of Education, Graduate Programs                         (2007)
	4th	Special Education (2007)
	7th	Secondary Education (2007)
	12th	Counseling/Personnel Services (2007)
	8th	Elementary Education (2007)
	10th	Curriculum Instruction (2007)
	20th	Higher Education Administration (2007)
	25th	Administration and Supervision (2007)
19th	History Department, Graduate Programs (2006)
	7th	U.S. Colonial History                     (2006)
	13th	Modern U.S. History                         (2006)
	17th	African History                         (2006)
25th	School of Medicine, Research (2007)
	31st	Primary Care (2007)
26th	Nursing School, Graduate Programs (2003)
	5th	Psychiatric/Mental Health Nursing (2003)
	6th	Clinical Nurse Specialist: Adult Medical/Surgical (2003)
	9th	Pediatric Nursing (2003)
27th	Economics Department, Graduate Programs (2006)
28th	Psychology Department, Graduate Programs (2006)
	9th	Developmental Psychology (2006)
	15th	Clinical Psychology (2005)
31st	School of Engineering and Applied Science, Undergraduate Programs (2006)
	13th	Biomedical Engineering                     (2002)
38th	School of Engineering and Applied Science, Graduate Programs (2007)
	12th	Biomedical Engineering                     (2006)*
	28th	Materials Science (2006)
	29th	Computer Science (Ph.D. Program) (2007)
	27th	Computer Engineering (2007)
	31st	Aerospace/Aeronautical/Astronautical (2007)
	32th	Chemical Engineering (2007)
	36th	Mechanical Engineering (2007)
	38th	Electrical/Electronic/Communications                     (2007)
	39th	Civil Engineering (2007)
Ph.D. Programs - The Sciences
	35th	Physics (2002)
	38th	Math (2007)
	40th	Biological Sciences (2002)
	42nd	Chemistry (2002)

    

* Biomedical
Engineering is part of the School of Engineering & Applied Science and the
School of Medicine.
        

gobeyond

哎，总算聪明的看官都来发言了。其实CD上很多申请者就是聪明人。申请不申请，申请哪个，自己都很有主意。世界上什么东西都是有好有坏的，而这好坏又是相对不同的人而言的。

多争真是浪费时间的事情。

citigroupztc

hehe.说句大实话，现在这个年代，网络比较发达，一个学校到底好不好，不难知道吧。citi同志，不要把国内的土鳖就看的这么土了。
A: Calm down. When did I ever think Chinese applicants are 土鳖? I was offering some insight information and candid advise and no way I was telling them what to do with their lifes.  Yes, it is very true that, on internet, you can have an amazing load of information just about anything going on around the world. But as a student who has been in the states for almost 7 years, I think I have insight info about schools that other people cannot get from the internet. It is fine that you do not appreciate what I've done. But at least you should not have said things like "不要把国内的土鳖就看的这么土了". Take that back, will you? Please!

UVA是一所公立学校，美国公立学校本来就不如私立好，公立学校里，如果Umich可以排第一，UVA最多也就排第二。上UVA的人，如果不是在州内的，
图学费便宜，就是不知怎么没上私立了，肯定是没有更加努力，所以没上成Yale和Havard。（用楼主的思维思考得到的结果）
A: If I think anyone is a 土鳖, it's got to be you. Based on the ranking you gave out in your posting, there are tons of private schools ranked lower than Berkeley, UVa, and UMich. And if you think UMich is a notch above UVa, I don't blame you. Because UMich admits way more Chinese applicants than UVa or Berkeley does, and therefore has much more name recognition back in China. No doubt. But in terms of undergraduate career placement, there's no way UMich could ever beat UVa or Berkeley. To be honest, over 60% of UVa undergraduate population come from nothern Virginia area, and I was extremely surprised how uninformed those students are about schools other than UVa. I've met lots of students from Nothern Virginia and they all thought UVa was a really really good school and really hard to get into. I don't blame them at all. But based on the profile of those people, I am sure if they had applied schools like Cornell they would have a decent chance get in. They just didn't know or didn't want to.  But again, it's their own problem not to apply schools other than UVa, but that does not translate to "如果不是在州内的，
图学费便宜，就是不知怎么没上私立了，肯定是没有更加努力，所以没上成Yale和Havard".

所以，应该相信在一个经济的社会里，每个人的决定都是理性的。赫赫
A: Do you really think so?

Finally, Vivaivy, I think you messaged me a while back to let me know that you had an offer from Darden. Congratulations again! You said my postings were slamming the faces of Darden MBAs, and I should not have done that. I disagree. I think your way of thinking is unacceptable. It's not about who lose faces. It's about giving out the appropriate information to help people make informed decisions. If I keep my mouth shut, as you suggested, people might have one less piece of information to consider when they try to make a decision. I want to help. That's all.

yorkzhong

To Citigroup - 己所不欲，勿施于人。 我当然同意UVA是一个好学校但是别人说她不好您也不爱听对吧。我不再多讲了！

To everyone - 我觉得各方观点已经表达的足够清楚了，没有必要再在这个话题上讨论下去了。欢迎大家到 Darden-Wahoo帖子中继续讨论Darden或者了解相关事宜。

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-12-21 12:21:58编辑过]

jerry2006

Sorry if I have offened anyone of you.  Again, I have nothing against Darden.  I think it is a great school.  I just don't think people should fight just because someone said something they don't like to hear. 

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-12-21 12:08:37编辑过]

yorkzhong

以下是引用jerry2006在2006-12-21 12:02:00的发言：
Well,I am sorry if I have offended you in any way.  However, there are plenty of posts in BW saying bad things about CBS and I do not go there to fight(I do respect their rights to express themseleves).

not at all. I agree with you. I/we should not spend our precious energy and time to argue in here.

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-12-21 12:07:16编辑过]

gobeyond

以下是引用citigroupztc在2006-12-21 11:16:00的发言：
hehe.说句大实话，现在这个年代，网络比较发达，一个学校到底好不好，不难知道吧。citi同志，不要把国内的土鳖就看的这么土了。
A: Calm down. When did I ever think Chinese applicants are 土鳖? I was offering some insight information and candid advise and no way I was telling them what to do with their lifes.  Yes, it is very true that, on internet, you can have an amazing load of information just about anything going on around the world. But as a student who has been in the states for almost 7 years, I think I have insight info about schools that other people cannot get from the internet. It is fine that you do not appreciate what I've done. But at least you should not have said things like "不要把国内的土鳖就看的这么土了". Take that back, will you? Please!

UVA是一所公立学校，美国公立学校本来就不如私立好，公立学校里，如果Umich可以排第一，UVA最多也就排第二。上UVA的人，如果不是在州内的，
图学费便宜，就是不知怎么没上私立了，肯定是没有更加努力，所以没上成Yale和Havard。（用楼主的思维思考得到的结果）
A: If I think anyone is a 土鳖, it's got to be you. Based on the ranking you gave out in your posting, there are tons of private schools ranked lower than Berkeley, UVa, and UMich. And if you think UMich is a notch above UVa, I don't blame you. Because UMich admits way more Chinese applicants than UVa or Berkeley does, and therefore has much more name recognition back in China. No doubt. But in terms of undergraduate career placement, there's no way UMich could ever beat UVa or Berkeley. To be honest, over 60% of UVa undergraduate population come from nothern Virginia area, and I was extremely surprised how uninformed those students are about schools other than UVa. I've met lots of students from Nothern Virginia and they all thought UVa was a really really good school and really hard to get into. I don't blame them at all. But based on the profile of those people, I am sure if they had applied schools like Cornell they would have a decent chance get in. They just didn't know or didn't want to.  But again, it's their own problem not to apply schools other than UVa, but that does not translate to "如果不是在州内的，
图学费便宜，就是不知怎么没上私立了，肯定是没有更加努力，所以没上成Yale和Havard".

所以，应该相信在一个经济的社会里，每个人的决定都是理性的。赫赫
A: Do you really think so?

Finally, Vivaivy, I think you messaged me a while back to let me know that you had an offer from Darden. Congratulations again! You said my postings were slamming the faces of Darden MBAs, and I should not have done that. I disagree. I think your way of thinking is unacceptable. It's not about who lose faces. It's about giving out the appropriate information to help people make informed decisions. If I keep my mouth shut, as you suggested, people might have one less piece of information to consider when they try to make a decision. I want to help. That's all.

sigh~在美国7年，读了UVa的本科，也不一定代表你了解Darden了。哎，这7个年头不算太长的，时间是飞快的。

你要calm down才对啊。非得大家一边听你说Darden各处不是，还得一边点头感激说谢谢？我还是觉得很多人都很聪明。你的话说一遍就够啦，那么重复强调你的目的，慢慢不就成了欲盖弥彰的效应了吗？