我的申请历程（2007秋季入学）

smileinwind2

以下是引用josephhan001在2006-9-1 19:49:00的发言：
以前有个同事就是芝大MBA，基本属于混得相当失败那种。

能说说他为何混得不好？

我现在很想知道读MBA的优缺点。

dtiger

Totally 21 classes are required to graduate for full-time students. You pay the tuition for each course. So if you take more courses in a quarter, you need to pay more for that quarter.

Each B-School has someone who did bad, even for Harvard or Wharton. It really depends on who you are (may not be the brilliant one you described in the essay, as far as I know, people can hire the professional agent to write the excellent essays and knock in the top B-school door, but how the following career development is more based on your own ability, your past experience, etc), what ambition you have, what career path you choose, and also your luck.

One of my troubled Top-MBA friends were laid-off again and again by green card issue as well as company politics issue, of course also by bad luck. From him, I could not feel any ambition, although he has learned a lot on how to spend money like a rich guy/king (although his annual income is not high at all, and have big burden on student loan ... )

Hope this helps.

bimetallic

"Each B-School has someone who did bad, even for Harvard or Wharton. "

Some top b school graduates did well but in a wrong way. Jeff Skilling got his MBA from Harvard. He became the CEO of Enron but eventually was convicted for conspiracy and insider trading. His alumnus G. W. Bush became Uncle Sam, Co.'s President and started two wars in the mid-east.

XUANYA2005

Bimetallic: nice examples.

jkmbe

以下是引用bimetallic在2006-9-2 7:13:00的发言：

"Each B-School has someone who did bad, even for Harvard or Wharton. "

Some top b school graduates did well but in a wrong way. Jeff Skilling got his MBA from Harvard. He became the CEO of Enron but eventually was convicted for conspiracy and insider trading. His alumnus G. W. Bush became Uncle Sam, Co.'s President and started two wars in the mid-east.

Good Point!

eternalwind

以下是引用bimetallic在2006-9-2 7:13:00的发言：

"Each B-School has someone who did bad, even for Harvard or Wharton. "

Some top b school graduates did well but in a wrong way. Jeff Skilling got his MBA from Harvard. He became the CEO of Enron but eventually was convicted for conspiracy and insider trading. His alumnus G. W. Bush became Uncle Sam, Co.'s President and started two wars in the mid-east.

In fact, Jeff Skillings is a genius. He is really smart and his many ideas were beyond his times. Even at present, his many ideas, such as use forward to transact water and broadcast, can not be accpeted by the financial world. But I believe in future, people will start to accept these brilliant ideas. The bottom line is that Jeff is the first person who traded energy as a financial derivative. This is one of the most significant contributions to the financial market in the recent 20 years. Now take a look at the future market for energy, you can not deny his long-term sight.

Enron is a great company. Its collapse is really a tragedy. This is not just one person's fault. The whole US business world should take responsibility for its collapse. Arthur Anderson, all top IBs in the market, irrational investors......how can they just attribute the collapese of one giant just to Jeff or Ken Lay? If you once read the famous book "The smartest guys in the room", you will feel a lot sympathy for Jeff and Ken. They are vanguards in the energy business. Their collaspe was due to several bad investments in emerging markets and some of their ideas too aggressive to ordinary financial professionals (such as the water future concept). yeah, they used some false statement to increase the stock price. However, the rule is once you could not provide a satisfying report, your stock will collaspe and then your image. Then all banks will refuse to give you loans which can turnover your fate. The tragedy is in the public company system itself, not just on one person or one company.

If, just if, Enron's issues were not exposed by that stupid vice president who would be fired soon, I believed Enron would have not collapsed so quickly. If, only if, it could live for two more years, it would become one of the strongest company at present. Considering the hiking of oil and energy price, Jeff  Skillings is a great winner. Enron would have gained billions of dollars from its future contracts. Jeff would have become one of the greatest CEOs in modern history. However, he failed. Just one small step before the gate to glory.

All in all, ENron's collapse is a great tragedy. I think we can not blame Jeff more on this issue. Everyone will have bad luck. His bad luck just came at an inappropriate time

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天香国猪

我本科毕业后花了6年读了两个化学master 

ＬＺ不知道想干什么。写ｅｓｓａｙ的时候好好捉摸捉摸。

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smileinwind

以下是引用天香国猪在2006-9-4 3:33:00的发言：

我本科毕业后花了6年读了两个化学master 

ＬＺ不知道想干什么。写ｅｓｓａｙ的时候好好捉摸捉摸。

本来是想读完化学博士的，可后来越读越没有意思，所以又拿了一个master，然后开始工作。

猪姐，你讲讲你为何去读MBA？

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smileinwind

以下是引用eternalwind在2006-9-4 3:07:00的发言：

In fact, Jeff Skillings is a genius. He is really smart and his many ideas were beyond his times. Even at present, his many ideas, such as use forward to transact water and broadcast, can not be accpeted by the financial world. But I believe in future, people will start to accept these brilliant ideas. The bottom line is that Jeff is the first person who traded energy as a financial derivative. This is one of the most significant contributions to the financial market in the recent 20 years. Now take a look at the future market for energy, you can not deny his long-term sight.

Enron is a great company. Its collapse is really a tragedy. This is not just one person's fault. The whole US business world should take responsibility for its collapse. Arthur Anderson, all top IBs in the market, irrational investors......how can they just attribute the collapese of one giant just to Jeff or Ken Lay? If you once read the famous book "The smartest guys in the room", you will feel a lot sympathy for Jeff and Ken. They are vanguards in the energy business. Their collaspe was due to several bad investments in emerging markets and some of their ideas too aggressive to ordinary financial professionals (such as the water future concept). yeah, they used some false statement to increase the stock price. However, the rule is once you could not provide a satisfying report, your stock will collaspe and then your image. Then all banks will refuse to give you loans which can turnover your fate. The tragedy is in the public company system itself, not just on one person or one company.

If, just if, Enron's issues were not exposed by that stupid vice president who would be fired soon, I believed Enron would have not collapsed so quickly. If, only if, it could live for two more years, it would become one of the strongest company at present. Considering the hiking of oil and energy price, Jeff  Skillings is a great winner. Enron would have gained billions of dollars from its future contracts. Jeff would have become one of the greatest CEOs in modern history. However, he failed. Just one small step before the gate to glory.

All in all, ENron's collapse is a great tragedy. I think we can not blame Jeff more on this issue. Everyone will have bad luck. His bad luck just came at an inappropriate time

Excellent analysis. Do you have econ background? or are you in the b-school right now?

天香国猪

以下是引用smileinwind在2006-9-4 6:54:00的发言：

本来是想读完化学博士的，可后来越读越没有意思，所以又拿了一个master，然后开始工作。

猪姐，你讲讲你为何去读MBA？

 

有一天，猪圈里的猪看见了天上的月亮，猪兴大发，发誓要上月亮看一看；很久以后，猪上了月亮；有一天，猪抬起了头，又看到了天上的星星，猪又想上星星看一看。

就这么简单。很多看似遥远的理想，只要埋头苦干，尽管天资愚笨也好，小猪Babe也能牧羊。

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