Chicago GSB vs. NYU Stern?

jessicaf

以下是引用edwardjzz在2006-3-24 9:03:00的发言：

Without detailed/accurate research, I think recent stats show that around 1/2-1/3 of GSB grads land jobs on the Street.

Do you think 1/2 -1/3 is very high for a strong finance school? If I told you that for some other schools the ratio is at least 60%-70%?

BTW, as such a high ratio like 60% - 70%, not every Chinese can locate a job on the street, especially for people directly from Mainland.

dtiger

"Wall Street" is a big circle, not only include the part in New York City, but also other financial centers... :-) If focusing on NYC part physicallly only, then of course NYU takes that advantage...

kkgmat

So, LZ won't take Haas for sure?

coffemug

你来NYU我们就同学啦!  是很难选。没什么好的建议，不过还是希望你最终能挑到合意的。

lukapurple

以下是引用jessicaf在2006-3-24 4:02:00的发言：

多谢赞赏。都是过来人，亲眼看过，亲身经历过，所以说出来的话大概犀利得让很多CD上的新人受不了。看来你不想做IBD啦？那么想进street就更加难了，你应该知道S&T和research都不是那么好进的。不过如果你在美国多年，那么相对要好多了。

Chicago名气更加大，NYU更加实惠。我对NYU的人感觉挺好的，象个进Street混的样子。

I like Stern people too (went to their Asian Business Society party in NY). The Chinese students are high caliber and warm hearted.  No wonder since Stern is so picky in China.

Jessicaf, how do you rank the difficulty of getting IBD, S&T, Corporate Finance, Research jobs? BTW, I heard S&T is not so difficult as Research.   

lukapurple

以下是引用beechanooi在2006-3-24 2:38:00的发言：
两个都是我很喜欢的学校, 而且我将来的职业方向是希望到Wall St.发展. Chicago的声望和学风当然很好, 可NYU的地理优势和alumni network又不容忽视. 希望大家与我分享您的看法与建议, 谢谢! (我的背景是6 yrs Finance & 2 yrs sales in Tech Manufacturing Company.)

Sam, you may want to talk to a Stern 2nd year girl, who chose Stern over Chicago two years ago.

edwardjzz

以下是引用jessicaf在2006-3-24 9:15:00的发言：

Do you think 1/2 -1/3 is very high for a strong finance school? If I told you that for some other schools the ratio is at least 60%-70%?

BTW, as such a high ratio like 60% - 70%, not every Chinese can locate a job on the street, especially for people directly from Mainland.

is it true that Chinese/(descendant) MBA applicants from non-Mainland are more aggressive, because they believe they have the best of two/three/four worlds?  I am just citing some un/reliable source of anecdotes as reference information (sort of) for the OP, not TELLing him/her the conclusion. So you do NOT have to fanfare your presumable expertise.

to answer you question in detail, I have to refer to the subject of comparing variances of two/more different samples, which I think perhaps is too technical to be discussed on this forum. My general remark would be: it depends on your own interpretation of the ratio.

To me, a high or low ratio of MBA grads going to the Street is a skewed mathematical expectation or biased prediction of OP's chance of landing a job on the Street, because the statistic assumption in those cases perhaps are no longer upheld.  In addition, even an acurate mathematical expectation of Street-probability of the sample would just translates into the Statistic Average CHANCE of any specific individual of the sample securing a position on the Street. But sadly,  1) statistics is not science, as stochastic process is not repeatable; and 2) in the end, OP would either 100% or 0% landing a job on the Street. So the value of ratios, in my opinion, should be taken with a grain of salt.

It is true that MBA programs perhaps is most about business, but I think it should also incorporate advanced education about self-esteem and respect.

Anyway, you just remind me of one old saying I learned more than a decade ago--"It takes all kinds to make a world."  

cheeyong

以下是引用jessicaf在2006-3-24 4:02:00的发言：

多谢赞赏。都是过来人，亲眼看过，亲身经历过，所以说出来的话大概犀利得让很多CD上的新人受不了。看来你不想做IBD啦？那么想进street就更加难了，你应该知道S&T和research都不是那么好进的。不过如果你在美国多年，那么相对要好多了。

Chicago名气更加大，NYU更加实惠。我对NYU的人感觉挺好的，象个进Street混的样子。

同意，确实是个两年选择。chicago各方面似乎都略胜于NYU，但是NY的地理优势太明显了，为你找工作创造无数便利。

Swinerton

以下是引用edwardjzz在2006-3-24 15:16:00的发言：

is it true that Chinese/(descendant) MBA applicants from non-Mainland are more aggressive, because they believe they have the best of two/three/four worlds?  I am just citing some un/reliable source of anecdotes as reference information (sort of) for the OP, not TELLing him/her the conclusion. So you do NOT have to fanfare your presumable expertise.

to answer you question in detail, I have to refer to the subject of comparing variances of two/more different samples, which I think perhaps is too technical to be discussed on this forum. My general remark would be: it depends on your own interpretation of the ratio.

To me, a high or low ratio of MBA grads going to the Street is a skewed mathematical expectation or biased prediction of OP's chance of landing a job on the Street, because the statistic assumption in those cases perhaps are no longer upheld.  In addition, even an acurate mathematical expectation of Street-probability of the sample would just translates into the Statistic Average CHANCE of any specific individual of the sample securing a position on the Street. But sadly,  1) statistics is not science, as stochastic process is not repeatable; and 2) in the end, OP would either 100% or 0% landing a job on the Street. So the value of ratios, in my opinion, should be taken with a grain of salt.

It is true that MBA programs perhaps is most about business, but I think it should also incorporate advanced education about self-esteem and respect.

Anyway, you just remind me of one old saying I learned more than a decade ago--"It takes all kinds to make a world."  

hehe, in one word: either 0% or 100%.

jessicaf

以下是引用lukapurple在2006-3-24 11:07:00的发言：

I like Stern people too (went to their Asian Business Society party in NY). The Chinese students are high caliber and warm hearted.  No wonder since Stern is so picky in China.

Jessicaf, how do you rank the difficulty of getting IBD, S&T, Corporate Finance, Research jobs? BTW, I heard S&T is not so difficult as Research.   

Corp fin 是IBD找fresh MBA的大头.

IBD >>> S&T almost = Research

IBD 对金融强校来说每年招几百个，光纽约。

S&T and Research,每年至多几十个，我知道S&T是20－30个，research不是很清楚。这个是全球数字。

S&T is really difficult because usually people from this industry they don't need MBA. If they come from this industry and study MBA, 90% they will go back to this industry.

Research is difficult because these days banks are cutting off the headcounts. But you can still do this in many hedge funds.

Hope this is helpful.