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而今迈步从头越

ABC中 equivalent 和equal表达的不仅仅是数量上的等同，而且表示质量、属性等的等同，所以OG的解释说have too broad a range of meanings to be used precisely here: that is, they can suggest more than merely numerical equality，而且通常修饰不可数名词。

关于as/than可以作代词用的说法，我看过的语法书也有这末说的，但我更愿意理解成说是有些成分省略了，这样好象更容易理解一些。这种省略通常发生在比较的中心词一样，而且没有修饰成分。本题就是一例，OG中另有一题我也是这末理解的：

187. In one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War, fought at Sharpsburg, Maryland, on September 17, 1862, four times as many Americans were killed as would later be killed on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day.

(A)              Americans were killed as

(B)              Americans were killed than

(C)             Americans were killed than those who

(D)             more Americans were killed as there

(E)              more Americans were killed as those who

Choice A, the best answer, is the only option that accurately expresses the comparison by using the idiomatic form as many... as. In B and C, as many ... than is unidiomatic, and in C and E, those who is a wordy intrusion. In D and E, more is redundant because the phrase four times as many in the original sentence conveys the idea of more.

不知道这种理解又没有错，还望大家指正！

zhoushao

以下是引用而今迈步从头越在2005-1-14 18:16:00的发言：

ABC中 equivalent 和equal表达的不仅仅是数量上的等同，而且表示质量、属性等的等同，所以OG的解释说have too broad a range of meanings to be used precisely here: that is, they can suggest more than merely numerical equality，而且通常修饰不可数名词。

关于as/than可以作代词用的说法，我看过的语法书也有这末说的，但我更愿意理解成说是有些成分省略了，这样好象更容易理解一些。这种省略通常发生在比较的中心词一样，而且没有修饰成分。本题就是一例，OG中另有一题我也是这末理解的：

187. In one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War, fought at Sharpsburg, Maryland, on September 17, 1862, four times as many Americans were killed as would later be killed on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day.

(A)              Americans were killed as

(B)              Americans were killed than

(C)             Americans were killed than those who

(D)             more Americans were killed as there

(E)              more Americans were killed as those who

Choice A, the best answer, is the only option that accurately expresses the comparison by using the idiomatic form as many... as. In B and C, as many ... than is unidiomatic, and in C and E, those who is a wordy intrusion. In D and E, more is redundant because the phrase four times as many in the original sentence conveys the idea of more.

不知道这种理解又没有错，还望大家指正！

同意而今JJ ,我也认为是省略

OG187对CE中those who的解释为wordy，这个放到132中也成立，即as many as（those who ） are enrolled in,只是ETS认为这是wordy的

zhoushao

但我想问问而今JJ这句话是什么意思，难道有修饰就不成立了么，有没有例子？

hncsxj

再次同意而今mm ,我也认为是省略

89. A recent national study of the public schools shows that every thirty-two pupils now have one micro­computer, four times as many as there were four years ago.

可见as做主语的说法是不行的

julia_ggw

187这个例子真是举得好，让人一下子就明白了，多谢而今MM。

感觉上就是用as many as的时候如果后面跟的是一个定语从句，则必须省略从句中的主语（即先行词和关系代词），而直接上谓语动词。否则ETS就要认为wordy了。

司香尉

同意楼上的，187这个例子举得好。

偶一直吃不准E如果不省略的话，到底应该是as many people as...还是as many as people who...，现在看来是后者吧，还是这两种形式都可以？

oncross

以下是引用light在2003-9-11 12:36:00的发言：
(A)同BD
(B)equivalent已经包含”量”相等的意思，所以后面出现those就显累赘.
(C)equal 前后比较的东西要同一来源，但前后的eight million people 是不同来源，不能说他们俩批人马相等.
(D)(enrollment = 注册的数量) ≠ (people =人数)
(E) as many (people) as are enrolled in (后一个as做关代)

我对关代不是很理解….
这里as作为主格关代，之所以不能用who来代替，
是不是因为要和as many 搭配成对，这样一来………看起来比较顺眼?

想理解ETS有关choice D 的解释: this phrase improperly in comparing eight million people to enrollment, not to other people.

Enrollment 的定义: the number of people who have arranged to join a school, university, course etc: an enrollment of 800 people

是不是说enrollment是一个"数",  比如 eight million, 所以不能同 eight million people 比较? 还请高人指点. 谢谢先. 

当当84

以下是引用oncross在2006-6-17 9:51:00的发言：

想理解ETS有关choice D 的解释: this phrase improperly in comparing eight million people to enrollment, not to other people.

Enrollment 的定义: the number of people who have arranged to join a school, university, course etc: an enrollment of 800 people

是不是说enrollment是一个"数",  比如 eight million, 所以不能同 eight million people 比较? 还请高人指点. 谢谢先. 

同问，the  enrollment 也是一个数，不可以和eight million people 比较吗？

konson

以下是引用当当84在2006-6-19 14:11:00的发言：

同问，the  enrollment 也是一个数，不可以和eight million people 比较吗？

eight million people 核心词是people，所以人和数目不能比较

dori0214

对的

同样可以举出一题，忘记题号了

其中有than previously estimated