美国论坛里评价的中国人

二狼神

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>ucla</I>在2005-9-2 17:34:00的发言：</B><BR><br /><>I don't think the author made good pionts, he just listed what weaknesses of chinese exist, but he didn't specified what cause these shortcomings, let us get the bottom of these issues, let us see if the following cases can answer why chinese have so many problems:</P><br /><>1) As we know, people who live in North Korea and South Korea are the same kind of Korean</P><br /><>2) As we know, people who live in Guangdong and Hong Kong are the same kind of Cantonese</P><br /><>The same kind of people have pretty much different behaviors, what the hell play a major role here???? I wanna boil down to SYSTEM, <FONT face="Arial Black">system makes people how to think, system makes people how to do</FONT>...............</P></DIV><br /><>主体思想听说过吗，那是另一种形式的好东东，嘿嘿。（如有疑问推荐找小猴或coopers）<img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em15.gif" /><img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em15.gif" /></P>

hedonism555

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>ucla</I>在2005-9-2 17:34:00的发言：</B><BR><br /><>I don't think the author made good pionts, he just listed what weaknesses of chinese exist, but he didn't specified what cause these shortcomings, let us get the bottom of these issues, let us see if the following cases can answer why chinese have so many problems:</P><br /><>1) As we know, people who live in North Korea and South Korea are the same kind of Korean</P><br /><>2) As we know, people who live in Guangdong and Hong Kong are the same kind of Cantonese</P><br /><>The same kind of people have pretty much different behaviors, what the hell play a major role here???? I wanna boil down to SYSTEM, <FONT face="Arial Black">system makes people how to think, system makes people how to do</FONT>...............</P></DIV><br /><>NO, the validity of his listed weakness of Chinese still remain largely unchecked and unfounded. </P>

二狼神

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>hedonism555</I>在2005-9-2 17:28:00的发言：</B><BR><BR><BR>呵呵，其实很简单，展示一些恐怕是他比较欣赏的西方文化直截了当的风格，<FONT color=#ff0000>回答我所有问号前面的提问， 并附之以实例来支撑其观点。</FONT> 这个肯定不用我教了吧 <img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em10.gif" /><img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em10.gif" /><img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em10.gif" /></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote><br /><DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>hedonism555</I>在2005-9-1 11:02:00的发言：</B><BR><BR><br /><>中国的问题多了，远不止你提到的那些， <FONT color=#000000>但这能</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>说明中国人的人性有问题</FONT>吗？ 又能说明美国及美国人就是完美无缺的吗？ <BR><br /><><FONT color=#99667b>你说的中国人的老子天下第一的感觉是如何得出的结论呢？不要给我拿中学课本念，请给出实例。 </FONT></P></DIV></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote><br /><DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>funworks</I>在2005-9-1 11:56:00的发言：</B><BR><BR><br /><><FONT color=#ff0000>这个问题不该我来回答</FONT>呀。<FONT color=#0909f7>美国人怀疑中国人的人性有问题</FONT>，那可是<FONT color=#0909f7>你们</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>的种族歧视说</FONT>的理论<FONT color=#113dee>基础</FONT>。<FONT color=#0033ff>我觉得人家的批评</FONT>只是就事论事，<FONT color=#0000ff>跟种族歧视靠不上边</FONT>。你们却非一口咬定人家歧视你，觉得你们的人性有问题，还骂你们是狗。。。我怎么就想不明白一篇实话实说的文章，仅仅是因为出自美国人之口，就给你造成了那么多心理创伤呢。<BR><br /><><FONT color=#99667b>中国人自认为老子天下第一，要举例子么？就说s斑竹吧，一路小红花到了美国，所在实验室美国人都不会干活，所以只能委屈他采购大权一肩独挑，地位非同小可呀。据说他回国探亲才几天，美国电话就追到了北京请求指示。第一吧？再说h荣斑，网上跟别人一言不合，争辩了三五个回合，就已经洞察入微，断定别人不适合读mba。铜牙铁嘴，断人前程，比传说中的“悬丝诊脉”还神奇。第一呀。</FONT></P></DIV><STRONG></STRONG></DIV><br /><DIV class=quote><STRONG>以下是引用<I>funworks</I>在2005-9-1 13:07:00的发言：<BR></DIV></STRONG><br />< align=left><br />< align=left><FONT face=宋体>我把那篇文章的关键字替代了一下。1代表<FONT color=#0000ff>“教育”，共出现10次</FONT>；2代表“文化”，共出现4次；3代表“习惯”或者“习性”，共出现2次；4代表“人性”或者“本性”，共出现2次。现在你明白<FONT color=#0909f7>一些美国人对中国人恶习的归因</FONT>了吧？</FONT></P><br /><>我把大家的口水整理了一下，以便让大家对双方的辩论思路看得比较清晰。<img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em01.gif" /></P><br /><>我支持funworks，我认为他已经说得很明白了。</P>

supermonkey

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>coopers</I>在2005-9-2 20:58:00的发言：</B><BR><BR><br /><><br /><>呵呵, 你既然觉得"<EM>这种没经过人的大脑处理过的东西能伤的了谁呀</EM>", 那也不必前前后后的长篇大论地来驳斥了, 别那么起劲了,&nbsp;&nbsp;反正大家自己都会思考的.&nbsp;&nbsp;</P><br /><>另外, 我记得funworks好像是台湾人吧.</P></DIV><br /><>你让FUNWORKS自己来说说，偶就不信他不认为自己是中国人。</P><img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em03.gif" />

hedonism555

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>二狼神</I>在2005-9-2 20:24:00的发言：</B><BR></STRONG><br />< align=left><br />< align=left><FONT face=宋体>我把那篇文章的关键字替代了一下。1代表<FONT color=#0000ff>“教育”，共出现10次</FONT>；2代表“文化”，共出现4次；3代表“习惯”或者“习性”，共出现2次；4代表“人性”或者“本性”，共出现2次。现在你明白<FONT color=#0909f7>一些美国人对中国人恶习的归因</FONT>了吧？</FONT></P><br /><>我把大家的口水整理了一下，以便让大家对双方的辩论思路看得比较清晰。<img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em01.gif" /></P><br /><>我支持funworks，我认为他已经说得很明白了。</P></DIV><br /><>呵呵， 等于废话。 </P>

funworks

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>coopers</I>在2005-9-2 20:58:00的发言：</B><BR><BR><br /><><br /><>呵呵, 你既然觉得"<EM>这种没经过人的大脑处理过的东西能伤的了谁呀</EM>", 那也不必前前后后的长篇大论地来驳斥了, 别那么起劲了,&nbsp;&nbsp;反正大家自己都会思考的.&nbsp;&nbsp;</P><br /><>另外, 我记得funworks好像是台湾人吧.</P></DIV><br /><>先回答最原则性的的问题。我当然是中国人；高攀一下的话，跟曾经在这里<FONT color=#d52bd5>辉煌一时</FONT>的“一个字”斑竹算半个老乡。请大家不要怀疑我的出身；我的出身跟我的言论正确与否并没有必然联系。</P>

supermonkey

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>funworks</I>在2005-9-2 21:51:00的发言：</B><BR><BR><br /><>先回答最原则性的的问题。我当然是中国人；高攀一下的话，跟曾经在这里<FONT color=#d52bd5>辉煌一时</FONT>的“一个字”斑竹算半个老乡。请大家不要怀疑我的出身；我的出身跟我的言论正确与否并没有必然联系。</P></DIV><br /><br><br /><> <BR></P><br /><DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>coopers</I>在2005-9-2 20:58:00的发言：</B><BR><BR><BR><br /><><BR><br /><>呵呵, 你既然觉得"<EM>这种没经过人的大脑处理过的东西能伤的了谁呀</EM>", 那也不必前前后后的长篇大论地来驳斥了, 别那么起劲了,&nbsp;&nbsp;反正大家自己都会思考的.&nbsp;&nbsp;</P><BR><br /><>另外, 我记得funworks好像是台湾人吧.</P></DIV><img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em10.gif" />

funworks

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>ucla</I>在2005-9-2 17:34:00的发言：</B><BR><br /><>I don't think the author made good pionts, he just listed what weaknesses of chinese exist, but he didn't specified what cause these shortcomings, let us get the bottom of these issues, let us see if the following cases can answer why chinese have so many problems:</P><br /><>1) As we know, people who live in North Korea and South Korea are the same kind of Korean</P><br /><>2) As we know, people who live in Guangdong and Hong Kong are the same kind of Cantonese</P><br /><>The same kind of people have pretty much different behaviors, what the hell play a major role here???? I wanna boil down to SYSTEM, <FONT face="Arial Black">system makes people how to think, system makes people how to do</FONT>...............</P></DIV><br /><>That's the attitude I really appeciate.&nbsp;&nbsp;The American author may have attributed the syptoms to wrong reasons (I guess nobody knows the right answer yet), however, there is no perfect article that can explain everything in China.&nbsp;&nbsp;It is other people's turn, especially Chinese people's turn, to continue on this study and find out why.&nbsp;&nbsp;For the author, it is already too good for him to point out so many actual proplems that are hard to notice by ourselves.<br /><>If we are not asking too much from the author, we should thank him for the work he did.</P>

二狼神

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>funworks</I>在2005-9-2 21:51:00的发言：</B><BR><BR><br /><>先回答最原则性的的问题。我当然是中国人；高攀一下的话，跟曾经在这里<FONT color=#d52bd5>辉煌一时</FONT>的“一个字”斑竹算半个老乡。请大家不要怀疑我的出身；我的出身跟我的言论正确与否并没有必然联系。</P><br /><DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>hedonism555</I>在2005-9-2 21:47:00的发言：</B><BR><BR><br /><>呵呵， 等于废话。 </P></DIV></DIV><br /><>我相信funworks的说法：出身跟言论正确与否并没有必然联系。所以虽然<STRONG><EM>hedonism555</EM></STRONG>出身荣誉版主<img src="/static/legacy-emoticon/Dvbbs/em35.gif" />，但他地诊断并不必然正确。</P>

二狼神

<DIV class=quote><B>以下是引用<I>funworks</I>在2005-9-2 22:01:00的发言：</B><BR><BR><br /><>That's the attitude I really appeciate.&nbsp;&nbsp;The American author may have attributed the syptoms to wrong reasons (I guess nobody knows the right answer yet), however, <FONT color=#0909f7>there is no perfect article that can explain everything in China.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT>It is other people's turn, especially Chinese people's turn, to continue on this study and find out why.&nbsp;&nbsp;For the author, it is already too good for him to point out so many actual proplems that are hard to notice by ourselves.<BR><br /><>If we are not asking too much from the author, we should thank him for the work he did.</P></DIV><br /><>实际上我到目前为止在这方面的作品我没看到能让我比较满意的，基本上都少了很多东西，或者说都没有找到比较实质性的根源，只看到了一个外在的轮廓。</P>