顶级难题 天山－4－38 NN们无法统一意见。继续讨论！

shiningshining

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howardwang

以下是引用shiningshining在2005-9-21 9:14:00的发言：

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=24&replyid=84938&id=84938&page=1&skin=0&Star=3

以下内容摘自讨论贴24楼：

从这道题目的讨论中,反映了两种典型的CR思维方式:
1, 紧扣题目中ETS的意图, 题干中反复出现all cities, most towns, statewide, retailestablishment, government office等,在强调一个地域范围的概念,然后就考你这个范围内的加强或削弱.
2, 题干中从未涉及法案的强弱,给一个涉及强弱的选项,等着你跳进出.
其实这方面很容易避免中埋伏,所有ETS的CR题目,题干中都给出了明确的走向,紧紧跟着走,不要随意往外发挥,否则你一定踩中它的地雷.你们牢记这一点,比记住一百个CR机经还管用.

个人觉得，你所找的链接中的24楼的同志，似乎不是很理解什么人，以及怎样才会被误导。

即使按他所说，题干有许多地域概念。那么，根据原文，rural areas 可能没有local ordinances ,谈何 misleading to voters who understand the proposal as extending the local ordinances statewide呢？

shiningshining

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[此贴子已经被作者于2005-9-22 16:50:45编辑过]

howardwang

以下是引用shiningshining在2005-9-21 13:23:00的发言：

呵呵，你再逼我，我就准备去跳楼了。。。

我原来选的是C，后来看了LAYWER的帖子，转投B门下了。

后来越看越觉得B对。

我的理解，就是C选项只是说明了程度的变化，而B选项说明范畴的变化。

PLMM,千万不要做傻事阿！哈哈！

开个玩笑，要坚持自己的选择。

这也是到目前为止，唯一与LAWYER NN 意见相左的题。

ESeraph

i support C.

tonyyuan

C absolutely!

lunasea007

选E的理由是，在美国The state law would not affect existing local ordinances banning smoking in places where the fire authorities have determined that smoking would constitute a fire hazard.Such as gas station,if fire authorities say "no smoke"in gas station,you just can not smoke there.

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更正，mislead应该是认为州法律能推广到地方的，实际不能。因为LOCAL FIRE AUTHORITIES HAVE RIGHT TO DECIDE THE PALCE WETHER YOU CAN SMOKE.

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gonghao

same side with mindfree

对那些“认为把地方法律扩大到全州的”选民进行误导：由下之上。

事实是：州法律会取代原来的地方法律。由上之下。

lawyer_1

该题真是仁者见仁,智者见智.不过选C的一个很大的缺陷是会使原文的最后一句话(The petition advocates a state law banning smoking in most retail establishments and in government offices that are open to the public)失去作用,这是在逻辑题里几乎没有见过的,逻辑题的提干精练,每句话都有意义.只有B才答案,提干和原文浑然一体,没有多余的话,下面将两个答案组成段进行对比,看那段读起来浑一体:

In one state, all cities and most towns have antismoking ordinances. A petition entitled “Petition for Statewide Smoking Restriction” is being circulated to voters by campaign workers who ask only, “Do you want to sign a petition for statewide smoking restriction?” The petition actually advocates a state law banning smoking in most retail establishments and in government offices that are open to the public(the public does not know). In fact, The state law would supersede the local antismoking ordinances, which contain stronger bans than the state law does. Therefore,  petition would be  circulated misleading to voters who understand the proposal as extending the local ordinances statewide.

In one state, all cities and most towns have antismoking ordinances. A petition entitled “Petition for Statewide Smoking Restriction” is being circulated to voters by campaign workers who ask only, “Do you want to sign a petition for statewide smoking restriction?” The petition actually advocates a state law banning smoking in most retail establishments and in government offices that are open to the public(the public does not know). However,in rural areas of the state, there are relatively few retail establishments and government offices that are open to the public.
. Therefore,  petition would be  circulated misleading to voters who understand the proposal as extending the local ordinances statewide.

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小弟在另一个帖子里稍微总结了一下BC两派的关点，如下，您给看看？

总结：

LAWYER解释：B正确

请愿者的目的：在公共建筑和政府办公室全面禁烟。

请愿者的手段：问选民是否支持全州禁烟。

选民预期：该请愿是将禁烟这件事情在全州普及。

B说的误导：如果法案通过，则请愿者目的达成→全州公共建筑和政府办公室全面禁烟了。但是如果州内有一个区域没有公共建筑或政府办公室，那么那里就不会有禁烟令，那么支持全州禁烟的选民就被误导了。
            

MINDFREE解释：C正确
                

请愿者的目的：在公共建筑和政府办公室全面禁烟。

请愿者的手段：问选民是否支持全州禁烟。

选民预期：该请愿是将地方法扩展成全州性法律。

C说的误导：如果法案通过，起用了新的全州禁烟的法律，但是此法律更本就不同于地方法律，而是比地方法律来的宽松。那么那些期待将地方法律原封不动扩展到全州而此请愿的选民就被误导了。

从蓝色字体开始有了分歧，后面的选项完全是因为对选民预期的不同解读。

回到原文出处，选民的预期出现在问句中：
                    

Which of the following circumstances would make the petition as circulated misleading to voters who understand the proposal as extending the local ordinances statewide?

这里我认为是MINDFREE的解读更准确，更加忠于原文：

extending the local ordinances就是将地方法律扩展到全国。

法律是法律，禁烟这件事情是事情，概念不同。