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发表于 2005-6-5 16:21:00 | 显示全部楼层

[求助]全自费被拒(续)

谢谢各位GGJJ的指点.我重新准备了一些签证中的问题,麻烦各位GGJJ帮我看看,提点建议,问题如下:


What will you study in the United States?


Applied financial mathematics. A quantitative field of financial management. A very promising major in China.



How long will you study in USA?


I will study in USA for almost 2 years. So I will not leave China for a long time.



Have you any scholarship?


No. But my parents will support my study. They want me to receive the best education.



What is your plan? What will you do after graduation?


I have drawn a sketch of my plan, would you like to see?


At the first step, after I graduate, I will work in the Chinese branches of international investment banks or commercial banks to do financial analysis; And I will get my PhD. degree of finance from FuDan university. In this way, I will deeply analyze the financial environment of China and combine my knowledge tightly with practical work. I plan to achieve this goal before the age of thirty.


At the second step, I want to become the senior manager of my company as well as creating some practical methods and theories of financial analysis suitable for China. So I will establish my reputation in this field. I plan to achieve this goal before the age of 35.


At the third step, I want to become the CFO of my company, attend many international conferences, such as Global Fortune Forum. Also, I will write some books about financial analysis, become a visiting professor of universities and become the advisor of the Chinese government. I plan to achieve this goal before the age of 45.



Give me three reasons that you will come back to China?


I base my career development in China. It is the best place. And, I will get a satisfied job to live a comfortable life. The most important is I can enjoy the happiness of staying with my family, my parents, my relatives, etc.



Why do you like your major?


I like to do quantitative analysis. And this major is very promsing in China. Studying it is a foundation to realize my career plan.



Why do you want to study in USA?


I can receive the best education of financial mathematics. This is a significant foundation to realize my career plan.



另外,还想请教一下各位GGJJ, 像我这种全自费被拒过一次的情况,在还应该准备一些什么问题,在二签时应该注意些什么?先在这里谢过了.



还有,我父母都是在事业单位工作的,虽然都是一个不大不小的官,但是我1-20表上写的每年总花费是3万多美金,我父母为我准备了50万,这会不会让签证官认为我把家底都掏空了,不给我visa.所以我才在一签时强调家里有钱,这个专业毕业后能找到很好的工作,挣很多的钱.


发表于 2005-6-5 19:36:00 | 显示全部楼层

关于PLAN,还是尽量简短一点吧,我估计成都的VO是不会给你机会说完的,最多五句话!


另外,VO可能会问你上一次为什么被拒,你应该要准备一下如何解释


GOOD LUCK!

发表于 2005-6-5 22:36:00 | 显示全部楼层

发现一个明显的逻辑错误,反复强调自己要去美国接受最好的教育,却画蛇添足地在回国计划中说什么要在复旦大学读博士。那你的硕士为什么不在复旦读?回答VO的问题还是简单明了好

发表于 2005-6-6 03:35:00 | 显示全部楼层
以下是引用Zengyanu在2005-6-5 16:21:00的发言:

谢谢各位GGJJ的指点.我重新准备了一些签证中的问题,麻烦各位GGJJ帮我看看,提点建议,问题如下:


What will you study in the United States?


Applied financial mathematics. A quantitative field of financial management. A very promising major in China.



How long will you study in USA?


I will study in USA for almost 2 years. So I will not leave China for a long time.



Have you any scholarship?


No. But my parents will support my study. They want me to receive the best education.



What is your plan? What will you do after graduation?


I have drawn a sketch of my plan, would you like to see?


At the first step, after I graduate, I will work in the Chinese branches of international investment banks or commercial banks to do financial analysis; And I will get my PhD. degree of finance from FuDan university. In this way, I will deeply analyze the financial environment of China and combine my knowledge tightly with practical work. I plan to achieve this goal before the age of thirty.


At the second step, I want to become the senior manager of my company as well as creating some practical methods and theories of financial analysis suitable for China. So I will establish my reputation in this field. I plan to achieve this goal before the age of 35.


At the third step, I want to become the CFO of my company, attend many international conferences, such as Global Fortune Forum. Also, I will write some books about financial analysis, become a visiting professor of universities and become the advisor of the Chinese government. I plan to achieve this goal before the age of 45.



Give me three reasons that you will come back to China?


I base my career development in China. It is the best place. And, I will get a satisfied job to live a comfortable life. The most important is I can enjoy the happiness of staying with my family, my parents, my relatives, etc.



Why do you like your major?


I like to do quantitative analysis. And this major is very promsing in China. Studying it is a foundation to realize my career plan.



Why do you want to study in USA?


I can receive the best education of financial mathematics. This is a significant foundation to realize my career plan.



另外,还想请教一下各位GGJJ, 像我这种全自费被拒过一次的情况,在还应该准备一些什么问题,在二签时应该注意些什么?先在这里谢过了.



还有,我父母都是在事业单位工作的,虽然都是一个不大不小的官,但是我1-20表上写的每年总花费是3万多美金,我父母为我准备了50万,这会不会让签证官认为我把家底都掏空了,不给我visa.所以我才在一签时强调家里有钱,这个专业毕业后能找到很好的工作,挣很多的钱.




说句实话,很多人准备的签证问答都有一种不打自招的感觉。签证前一定要认清两个要点:1、你只是去回答签证官的问题,而不是去主动交待问题去了。2、如果签证官有疑问,他会就某个问题继续发问的,所以你是有机会去深入回答这些疑问的,所以不要一上来就扯一大堆,让人感觉你不打自招,急于求成。例如:

What will you study in the United States?

我觉得标准回答或我认为合理的简单回答就是Applied financial mathematics. 最多回答到 A quantitative field of financial management 就要结束了。如果签证官有疑问他会问 Why do you want to study applied financial mathematics? 而到了这时候你再回答后面的。

所有的回答都要留个后手,不要上来就告诉别人我有大王,否则签证官会想你不就是有个大王吗,我还有四个2呢。

再有

Why do you want to study in USA?

我当时准备的答案就是最直接的(感谢给一个很成功的大哥给我的意见:你怎么回答问题老绕圈子,这会让人反感,要直接。也感谢我的女朋友,她的意见:太罗嗦了,简单点。)because XXX university gives me an admission and a scholarship. 如果你没有奖学金,你就直接说 XXX university gives me an admission. 这就够了。这样下面的问题就有可能是:你还申请了哪些学校,哪些学校录取了你等等。这样你就可以回答:某某些学校录取了我。准备1、2个加拿大和英国的好学校的名字,说这些学校把你据了。这样你到美国就顺其自然了。

How long will you study in USA?


I will study in USA for almost 2 years. So I will not leave China for a long time. 后面的话简直就是白银300两。签证官见到银子自然会起了杀心。


当我第一次听到这句广告词时,就觉得它会引领我:精于心,简于形。中国的成语就是:厚积薄发。


Have you any scholarship?


No. But my parents will support my study. They want me to receive the best education. 最后面的话多余,改为,Would you like to see the bank statement? 记住,这时候,有些问题你无法回避,还不如主动些。把钱的来源想清楚,单据整理好,打个存款的历史和数目的表格,清晰明了,让签证官省点事。


What is your plan? What will you do after graduation?


I have drawn a sketch of my plan, would you like to see? 千万不要把归国计划纸面化然后交给签证官,我个人以为这是大忌。归国计划是一切的核心,是你的目的也是你的结果,所以你应该能很清晰准确自然自信的表述它。归国计划就是你的名字。别人问你的名字,你回答:我把它写在纸上了,你想看吗?


After graduation, I will  come back to China to find a job in a financial institution/company/a bank. I hope, before 35, I can become a senior manager of the company.


到这里就可以了,表达太多的梦想,难免会被贴上幼稚的标签。如果让签证官觉得你太幼稚了,我想他连你想成为一个senior manager都可能否定掉。


我觉得签证官据人也挺矛盾的,那么多人去了不回来,如果真的追究原因,那么每个签证官都该被炒了,可是他们还是要让人过去。我个人以为,所谓的strong tie 并不存在,个人以为签证官据人就三条理由:不可信、很浪费、无能力。这三者是相互作用的。(1)不可信就是签证官怀疑你的诚信,也就是说你的回答本身具有一些不合理的地方,有漏洞。这点最重要,而且必须在签证前解决掉,否则二签都难了(2)很浪费,就是要花很多钱去学习,而签证官认为这不值,而且除非你在美国工作,否则很难收回成本。这主要是针对那些刚毕业的人而言,去好学校,花父母的钱。很浪费这一点向左偏,会发展为不可信,向右偏,会成为无能力。这一点归根到底是价值认定问题,其实只要向签证官证明了这个学校值,这个问题就可解决。(3)无能力,你没有展示出你的能力,却过分夸大了归国后的美好。这样就意味着当你认清现实后,你可能就不回来了。(中间省略一部分,以后补上)。


签证是一种对策,更是一种状态,要使你的理由/话语充分合理,要认清自己的目的从而使别人也赞同你的选择。要展示你的能力--历史(简历)和现场。我当时签证前,跟我的女朋友通电话(她在美国),我问:如果签不过去怎么办?她说:没关系,其实国内也很好。我说:是啊,在国内我可以过得很好,而且我也证明了这一点。即使将来去了美国,我可能也会选择回来,因为这个地方(中国)我太熟悉了,我可以很容易成功。


所以签证前要达成的状态就是,你想象签证官是你的一个美国朋友,然后你跟他说:我喜欢美国,如果有可能,我会考虑留下,但是我也同时充分做好了回国的准备,而且我很清楚,凭借在美国所学的东西,回到国内我知道如何去过得很好,而且也一定会过得很好。当然前面那部分想法不会出现在实际的对话当中。但那是一种诚实坦然自信的心态,这时候,你知道了你的能力也知道了你是谁。(仓促补完,请见谅,6月16号就要启程了)


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发表于 2005-6-6 10:24:00 | 显示全部楼层

4楼的GG好强呀

发表于 2005-6-8 11:00:00 | 显示全部楼层
顶一下,赞DREAMWORD GG 入木三分,惊醒了好多梦中人那~
发表于 2005-6-14 08:55:00 | 显示全部楼层

四楼真强啊! 顶拉!


楼主你的PLAN需多考虑呵!


1. If you want PH.D, why you don't get it in U.S. and why you have to get it in Fudan? If you really want to do this, tell you what, it's a very unquie case, VO usually don't believe it.


2. "I will work in Chinese investmetn banks...I want to be Sr. manager...I want to be CFO" you didn't indicate how you can achieve those goals. Everybody can say "I wanna be this, I wanna be that..", but how, and why? This two questions will lead to the assessment about wheher those goals are concrete and you are really on the track towards them, or they are just your dreams. I am not encouraging to extend the article of "plan", rather, you should summarize your plan in 2 to 3 sentences such as:"My short-term goal after graduation is...because.... and the two years' education and life experience in XXX will definitely help me to achieve..."


3. I don't know whether you threw out your plan in a piece of paper to VO, or you expressed it verbally. If in paper, you know what, 1) VO will not look at it, 2) VO will think you cannot even summarize your plan in one or two sentences and spit it out right away, after all, that's the whole idea why you want to go to US for that degree. If you did talk your plan to VO, see my comment 4.


4. From the way you described your plan, you appear not be mature enough to really fulfill that career path. Be a CFO is not so much like attending international forum, or publishing some books. Don't take me wrong that I think you are indeed immature, you're probably matured and ambitious. But the way you convey your idea is rigid and lack of variation - "first step, send, third..." "I plan to achieve this goal by age of ..." Life is not somehow so predictable, how fast you can succeed in your career sometime largely depends on the opportunity you get. Defining the age for your future goal is just for your own good, it will not impress VO, unless when you are 40 and say, "by 20, I finished my PH.D, by 30, I became the CFO of..., and now I am running this successful business I started 5 years ago..." So you need to re-think your plan, be realistic, at least to VO, and be concise.


5. You really need to give 3 good reasons to VO that you will come back to China. "Good reason" doesn't mean long reason, but something sounds reasonable and tangible. Why VO particularly asked for 3 reasons? Because VO wants you to itemize those reasons, and list out the top 3. So think about the most compelling (also will be most convincing) reasons, will that be family affection, will that be a business plan in China, will that be the plan that you can earn the return for education cost more quickly in China than in US (usually that's not true, at least for short-term), or maybe you think for the long-term, the education in U.S. will pay off more greatly in China?


It's frustating to be rejected in visa, but think it over and do more self-assessment. The hard work will finally pay off, maybe not just for the visa.


Good luck!

发表于 2006-4-26 21:05:00 | 显示全部楼层
好贴!
发表于 2006-4-26 21:11:00 | 显示全部楼层
这么好的帖子一直没看过,觉得7楼的分析很到位
发表于 2006-4-26 22:26:00 | 显示全部楼层
2000过了哈
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