UNC, Emory, Georgetown. Which to go?

琥珀川白龙

以下是引用lucsh在2005-4-12 23:18:00的发言：

其实都是半斤八两的学校.但这也是难度所在.亚洲的名气可能UNC好点吧.

不过要业内人士评价了.外行的话对WHARTON都是一头雾水,更别提什么北卡了,再说乔丹也不是MBA,那CLINTON本科还是G'TOWN的呢.谁不说俺"家乡"好呢.

所以不是HAVARD,STANDFORD的就不必靠学校招摇,大家资本都不够

of course Jordan is not MBA, he does not need it at all. But he is really the pride of every UNC student. I don't know whether you are in the states or not, the NCAA basketball championship really means a lot to every college student. The whole Chapel Hill went crazy when UNC got the championship this year. This is part of the American culture.

To be in a university that you feel proud of is very important. At least I think so. On the streets in the states, you can always see people wearing T-shirts printed Ohio State, Brown, Michigan, FSU......etc. Maybe their university is not the best, but surely they can be proud of them. This is not 招摇, and we don't need 资本 to do so.

by the way, I don't think Harvard and Stanford are the top two. Harvard, Wharton, Kellogg and Chicago should be the Big four.

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allwen99

以下是引用琥珀川白龙在2005-4-11 0:40:00的发言：

Emory是很不错的私立大学，财力充足，位于亚特兰大。

UNC被认为是仅次于UC-Berkeley 和 U Michigan的顶级公立大学（麦克尔乔丹的母校，今年全国大学生篮球联赛的冠军），Kenan-Flagler也是很棒的商学院。

Georgetown声望也很好，不过感觉商学院没什么名气。

确实很难选择，不过我觉得如果你想留美国工作的话，再加上奖学金，Emory应该是不错的选择。不过不要对IB或者Consulting报太大希望，大陆学生想在美国做consulting or IB很难很难。不过找个工作应该不成问题。

Consulting, IB, Marketing 都很難很難, 那到底還有哪些是什麼我們可以進的了的? Corporate Finance? Private banking? Investment management?

lucsh

以下是引用allwen99在2005-4-13 17:29:00的发言：


Consulting, IB, Marketing 都很難很難, 那到底還有哪些是什麼我們可以進的了的? Corporate Finance? Private banking? Investment management?

if it is really the case like he put ,you'd better clarify weather that is the instance only in UNC.

Remember , Mainland guys in Emory and Georgetown  alrealy landed those jobs according to accurate information

琥珀川白龙

以下是引用lucsh在2005-4-13 20:17:00的发言：

if it is really the case like he put ,you'd better clarify weather that is the instance only in UNC.

Remember , Mainland guys in Emory and Georgetown        alrealy landed those jobs according to accurate information

hehe, don't misunderstand. I am a proud Dukie, not from UNC.

I said "hard" does not mean "impossible". For the summer intern, we have some Chinese guys got Citigtoup, Morgan Stanley and McKinsey. Marketing is the strength of Fuqua, so, many students got marketing positions in ChevronTexaco, DuPont, Johnson&Johnson, etc. Generally, the coporate finance positions are the easiest to get if you have previous experience.

But those who got in IB and Consulting, I mean top firms such as GS, Meril Lynch, Citi, or McKinsey, Bain, BCG must be really competent and well prepared. For US offices, you can hardly beat the American students. For China offices, as you know, they don't recruit many.

For example, McKinsey. They only planned to recruit 6-8 summer interns for all the greater China offices including Hong Kong. How do you estimate your chance of getting in? If you are in Wharton and Kellogg, you chance maybe higher.

What I want to say is, don't base your decision soly on the statistics of job placement. For example, b-school 1 has 25% going to consulting, b-school 2 has 29% going to consulting. Does it make any difference for you?

Their are many small consulting firms coming to Duke, but they can not attract students at all.

Yes, IB is hard, consulting is hard. Be prepared to be frustrated. But this is only a general point. If you are excellent enough, nothing will be impossible.

If some Chinese mainland students in Georgetown and Emory got summer internship in McKinsey or GS, I have to congratulate them and adore them, because I failed the interviews with both of them. Because I am not well prepared,        and because I don't love the IB or consulting job at all. Or maybe I am just merely not good enough.

[此贴子已经被作者于2005-4-14 0:23:03编辑过]

makebj

请问怎样才能做到well prepared呢？具体是指什么?

琥珀川白龙

以下是引用makebj在2005-4-14 1:09:00的发言：
请问怎样才能做到well prepared呢？具体是指什么?

For consulting, you have to practise the case interview all day and all night. You have to be very familiar with the frameworks(such like Porter's five forces, 3C, 4P, 5C, 7S, Value Chain...etc). Your analysis must be well structured and clearly delivered. You must have very good sense for data analysis. Sounds easy, but you can never do well if you just prepare for it for a few days.

Of course, as a premise, your spoken English must be very good.

allwen99

Thanks for lucsh and 琥珀川 valuable comments. 真理總是愈說愈明, 也讓我們有更好的心理準備去面對未來.

Btw, lucsh seems to go to Emory this year right?

順便再問一下琥珀川, 聽說很多公司都會幫 duke的學生出機票去面試, is this true?

目前我總結了一下心得, if we want to stay in US, the only way is to to choose Coroporate Finance.

if we want to come back China, we can choose anything we want to do.

我的前提是對一般的人, 大牛除外, 相信對大牛而言在美國做 IB, Marketing, MC 都沒有太大問題.

琥珀川白龙

以下是引用allwen99在2005-4-14 11:29:00的发言：

Thanks for lucsh and 琥珀川 valuable comments. 真理總是愈說愈明, 也讓我們有更好的心理準備去面對未來.

Btw, lucsh seems to go to Emory this year right?

順便再問一下琥珀川, 聽說很多公司都會幫 duke的學生出機票去面試, is this true?

目前我總結了一下心得, if we want to stay in US, the only way is to to choose Coroporate Finance.

if we want to come back China, we can choose anything we want to do.

我的前提是對一般的人, 大牛除外, 相信對大牛而言在美國做 IB, Marketing, MC 都沒有太大問題.

If you are invited by companies to interview in another city, of course the companies will reimburse the hotel, flight and taxi expenses, even lunch. I think this is not only for Duke, it is a general practice.

Corporate finance is not your only way. Don't be scared by me. If you are accounting or financial background, it will be easier to get such a job. But don't give up your career interest, if you really like consulting or IB, just practise a lot and improve yourself, you will always have a chance. Good luck!

allwen99

Thanks for 琥珀川 !

As my working exp. is marketing / sales in automotive industry and I do not have finance background at all, I am wondering whether I can transfer to that field, especially I am an older student. 想問一下你週遭有中國人由非 finance 轉到 finance的成功例子 嗎?

makebj

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