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想了解下Chicago的Financial Mathematics怎么样,请大家给点意见

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发表于 2011-3-10 10:44:45 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
尤其想知道这个项目的就业情况,毕竟不是在NYC。如果和Columbia 的Financial Economics和Cornell 的MFE比的话大家都会怎么选?
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沙发
发表于 2011-3-10 10:45:38 | 只看该作者
同问!
板凳
发表于 2011-3-10 10:46:56 | 只看该作者
帮顶一下,话说COLUMBIA的FINANCIAL ECONOMICS到底发了多少个AD了。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-10 11:05:12 | 只看该作者
帮顶一下,话说COLUMBIA的FINANCIAL ECONOMICS到底发了多少个AD了。。。
-- by 会员 zasd (2011/3/10 10:46:56)



估计第一轮就十个左右?面过没拿到early decision的都延到regular decision了
5#
发表于 2011-3-10 11:31:36 | 只看该作者
一个chicago msfm在读的人写的:(转)

I am a student in the program and would strongly agree: The MSFM program sucks. There is a LOT of scope for improvement.

Two good things about the program:

1. Roger Lee: He is a God. Beyond excellent. Takes his time to work through the material. Uses 3 standard textbooks. Derives all the proofs. If you are not taking the Math of Options class offered by him this semester, you are wasting your time at Chicago.

2. Nygaard: The regression analysis class is surprisingly quite good.

Bad things about the program: Everything else!

Horrible stochastic calc professor, Stoc Calc was a total waste of time and money, will have to retake this someplace else.

useless TAs, giving 1 word answers like "yes!", "no!" even when you ask a question in detail.

rampant and widespread homework copying among students. You can actually SEE people sitting and copying answers from each other half hour before the class starts. quite sickening. Don't see what is the point of homework if everybody is cut-pasting solutions.

office hours are a waste

zero blackboard usage leading to students nodding off to numerous powerpoint slides at 9pm at night. Seriously, this 6:30-9:30pm slot does not work for me and many others. Majority of the students are day scholars and entire daytime is being wasted.

No university teaches mathematics using powerpoint slides. People have traditionally used chalk & blackboard for over 500 years because when you take the time to write it out, derive it, solve it, prove it, that's when it actually registers. Math is not a storybook you can just read by flipping powerpoint slides. You have to work through it. Roughly 20 minutes is wasted dealing with the technology hiccups when one tries to scribble on the tablet pc. Just use the chalk on the blackboard behind you.

horrible classroom timing, zero use of daylight, zero interaction with faculty outside of class.

The StatRisk class had no standard textbooks and took different bits of material from different places, cannot understand how anyone can go from Basic Probability to Copulas in just 1 class! Though the material was comprehensive, it is much better to stick to a standard textbook. However, this was one of the better classes last sem, so I won't complain too much.

The finance classes were a total joke. I don't think one can call that form of "teaching" as a class or education. It was just mindless chitchat, anedote-swapping, war stories, "when I was at UBS then I did this that and the other..." - so why exactly do I care ? Shut up and teach. Honestly I felt I was watching a mishmash of Seinfeld and CNBC. Some jokes, some industry chatter, some more jokes. No actual teaching.

I could go on and on.

Overall, I am sticking it out, hoping things will improve next semester. But if they use the same set of faculty and "industry professionals", it is very unlikely.

Ten Suggestions for UChicago:

1. stick to UChicago faculty like Nygaard, Roger Lee, Mykland. These people have real PhDs and they can really teach.

2. use standard time-tested math textbooks which are used in most MSFM and PhD programs. Don't cut-paste material from different sources, you just introduce mistakes and non-standard notations.

3. discourage/penalize copying among students.

4. The "industry pros" and retired visiting faculty are a complete waste of time. Get real UChicago faculty from Booth/Econ/Finance depts.

5. Provide electives. Many of the daytime college courses especially in Stat are quite good and should be available as elective.

6. Provide some actionable trading strategy, work through examples, not just plain theory.

7. Useful office hours, not saturday 8am.

8. Get knowledgeable and polite TAs, not rude economics majors with 1-liners.

9. Some daytime alternative for people who cannot do mathematics at late night.

10. Charge more. I and most of my colleagues will happily pay 100k$ if you actually do a good job. This is University of Chicago, not a diploma mill, for Christ's sake. Why do you have 130 students in 1 classroom ? Isn't that some kind of fire-code violation ?
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发表于 2011-3-10 11:38:16 | 只看该作者
一个关于chicago msfm的采访:(转)

This review was submitted on 2/10/2010 at 8:35:22 by a student who studied full-time in the program from 9/2007-6/2008*

Can you tell us a bit about your background?
B.S. Engineering Physics (High Honors), University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, 2002
B.S. Computer Science (Highest Honors), University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, 2002
Five years of IT and software development

Did you get admitted to other programs?
Yes; NYC Courant’s Mathematics in Finance and Carnegie Mellon’s MS Computational Finance

Why did you choose this program (over others, if applicable)?
Short duration, lower cost of program and of living, reputed heavy mathematical focus.

Tell us about the application process at this program
Online application. Had to submit GRE General test scores. Went smoothly.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the accessibility of the faculty and staff?
6

Programs like Baruch MFE, UCB MFE have refresher courses for incoming students. Does this program offer such courses? How useful was it?
There were free courses offered to incoming students which were nominally “refresher” courses. In practice, these courses were survey courses in material that students were unlikely to have been exposed to. Several of them were very useful; the measure theory course conducted by Robert Fefferman was outstanding, and the finance introduction by Tim Weithers was well-done.

On a scale of 0-10, how would you grade the usefulness of these refresher courses?
8

Tell us about the courses selection in this program. Any special courses you like?
Mathematical Foundations of Option Pricing – excellent
Numerical Methods – excellent
Statistical Risk Management
Stochastic Calculus
Data Analysis And Statistics – disastrously bad
Topics in Economics – well-taught, but questionably relevant
Portfolio Theory and Risk Management – good
Foreign Exchange
Fixed Income Derivatives – wildly mixed quality depending on presenter
Advanced Option Pricing
C# Programming (optional)

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the flexibility of the curriculum?
3

Tell us about the quality of teaching
Teaching quality ranged from very competent to insultingly poor.

On the “competent” end, Roger Lee deserves particular commendation for his course preparation and delivery in Mathematical Foundations of Option Pricing and Numerical Methods. The design and delivery of both courses was absolutely meticulous and well thought-out. Other instructors who deserve positive mention include: Paul Staneski and John Zerolis (Portfolio Theory), Lida Doloc (Fixed Income Derivatives), and Jostein Paulsen (Stochastic Calculus, Statistical Risk Management).

Sadly, there were also several instructors who did not appear to feel it necessary to assemble a coherent syllabus or present their material in an understandable fashion to the students in their classes. Chief among these was Per Mykland, who “taught” the Data Analysis and Statistics course (and I believe in most years teaches stochastic calculus as well). His lectures were very rough surveys of material which was inaccessible and unknown to most of the students in the course. Generally, no supplementary reference texts were mentioned to provide comprehensible explanations of the topics covered, and his lecture notes were filled with errors that had clearly gone uncorrected for years. Much of the final section of his notes consisted of text copied directly (save an occasional misspelling) from N.H. Chan’s _Time Series_. The material covered by the homeworks was often not addressed by the lectures; in fact, the head teaching assistant informed us in no uncertain terms that he expected most of the class to fail the second homework. The teaching assistants were often unable to help with the homeworks, leading me to believe that they frequently did not understand the material any better than we. Students did so poorly in the class that he announced his intention in the final lecture to simply give all students ‘A’s in lieu of a final exam (though he was later overruled).

Professor Mykland’s disregard for his teaching obligations is legendary; there are discussions on Wilmott Forums of his lack of concern for his audience’s comprehension all the way back in 2005 and it seems that little has changed. Unfortunately, data analysis and statistics are fundamental to financial mathematics, and for those of us who did not enter with graduate degrees in statistics, we were left woefully unprepared for the remainder of the courses (particularly stochastic calculus and statistical risk management) as well as job interviews. As a particularly pointed example, I was unclear on what a “standard error” was until I engaged in a program of self-study after his course…in which I got an A-.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the quality of teaching?
5

Materials used in the program
Primary texts included:
– Hull’s _Options, Futures, and Other Derivatives_
– Carmona’s _Statistical Analysis of Financial Data in S-Plus_
– Ingersoll’s _Theory of Financial Decision Making_
– Bjork’s _Arbitrage Theory in Continuous Time_

I also found Baxter and Rennie’s _Financial Calculus_ to be an excellent introductory text, though it was not used directly in the courses.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the practicality of the curriculum?
4

Programming component of the program
Excel, R for statistical analysis, MATLAB for numerical methods, C++ with Quantlib for some interest-rate derivatives work. The introductory programming courses were taught in C# and covered basic ASP.NET. Many of the homework assignments had a programming component.

Projects
There were few “projects” per se, though much of the homework was group work.

Career service
Unknown; I didn’t use them.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the career service for internship and full-time job?
2

Can you comment on the social interaction between students of different ethnics, nationalities in the program?
Many of the Chinese students formed a fairly tight social group, I suspect due to shared language. The remainder of the students were very outgoing and mingled and worked together freely.

What do you like about the program?
Excellent instruction in a few topics, a good reading list, U of Chicago name on the diploma, meeting a lot of great people.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade the value of the program for the price tag?
3

What DON’T you like about the program?
The general disregard for the quality of education received by the students.

Suggestions for the program to make it better
– Dismiss Per Mykland.

- Solicit feedback from students to ensure that professors generally are doing a good job, and reward them or remove them accordingly.

- Ensure that professors are aware of how their courses fit into the overall curriculum. Many of them seemed unaware of what students entering their classes would and would not be expected to know.

On a scale of 1-10, how would you grade your experience in the program?
3

What are your current job status? What are you looking for?
I am employed by an investment bank as a software developer, and would like to find more quantitative challenges in the near future.

On a scale of 1-10, would you recommend this program to others?
2

Other comments
If you have a graduate level of statistical experience, are very comfortable with PDEs (and preferably SDEs), and are willing to put up with having to fight to learn in some classes, you could get a lot out of this program. Otherwise, I would suggest going elsewhere.
7#
发表于 2011-3-10 11:45:41 | 只看该作者
I would prefer Cornell MFE, if leave the placement apart.
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发表于 2011-3-10 11:47:59 | 只看该作者
zjuer2007,你会把想去Uchicago的同学,浇个透心凉的。。。
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发表于 2011-3-10 11:48:44 | 只看该作者
看见课程觉得真的好难学啊。。。我去。。全是硬骨头。。要去的同学做好准备了。。
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发表于 2011-3-10 11:49:50 | 只看该作者
看见课程觉得真的好难学啊。。。我去。。全是硬骨头。。要去的同学做好准备了。。
-- by 会员 蒙太奇 (2011/3/10 11:48:44)



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