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No Longer Ranking Participation for Harvard and Wharton

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发表于 2004-4-7 08:27:00 | 只看该作者

No Longer Ranking Participation for Harvard and Wharton


The Wharton School, after very careful consideration, has decided that we will not be distributing our student or alumni e-mail lists for surveys from commercial enterprises in the future, including the upcoming MBA BusinessWeek survey.  The Board of Overseers endorsed this course of action at its recent meeting in San Francisco.


Harvard Business School will announce today that it has made the same decision.


REASONING


Currently, there are many external surveys conducted by commercial publications that rank business schools – more than a dozen annually, in fact.  This plethora of rankings, and the wide variety of results they produce, yields little useful data for the schools in shaping their strategic agenda.  There is also a widely growing consensus, not only among business schools, but also among colleges and universities, that rankings can be misleading to consumers.  Many in the academic community have questioned the methodologies employed in some rankings, as well as the fact that some publications change methodologies from year to year, leading to speculation that some rankings are driven more by editorial agendas than by objective data.  We share these concerns, as do our Harvard Business School counterparts.


With regard to collecting useful data to shape our strategic direction, we conduct annual stakeholder surveys of our students, and are about to launch a similar type of annual stakeholder survey of our alumni network of nearly 80,000 graduates.  The multiple requests for survey data for outside rankings not only diminish the return rate of the surveys conducted by the publications, but also reduce the response rate on the more critical internal stakeholder surveys.  It is critical that the return rates on our internal stakeholder surveys are high to reflect the broadest possible range of views from our students and graduates.


A final reason for not providing e-mail addresses for this purpose is our growing concern for the privacy of our alumni and students, and preventing the possible misuse of our e-mail lists.


ALTERNATIVE SOURCES OF USEFUL DATA


We recognize that applicants need information from which to compare business schools so that they can make the best choice about which program is right for them.  Recruiters, as well, must have thorough information about each school’s programs to help determine whether students are the right fit for their companies.  We believe the external rankings fall far short of supplying the type of objective comparative material from which prospective students or recruiters can make the most informed choices.


Wharton, Harvard and many other business schools are actively working with the Graduate Management Admission Council (GMAC) to develop a service that will provide objective, comparative and audited data to prospective students, recruiters and the media.  The project’s primary goal is to enable individuals to examine and analyze information of interest to them personally, from which they can draw their own conclusions.


In addition, there are many opportunities for students and alumni to share their experiences at their schools – and for potential applicants to ask questions of specific interest.  Discussion boards, such as our own student2student discussion board, are open and unfiltered.  These resources are profoundly helpful in enabling applicants to make the right decision regarding where they would most like to study and which school will help them achieve their professional goals.


DEFINING OURSELVES AND OUR BRAND


In some ways, we, along with our peer institutions, have allowed rankings to define us, not only to the outside world, but to ourselves as well.  It is time to measure our institution's excellence, not from rankings, but by the achievements of every program and by the accomplishments of our students, faculty, staff and alumni.  


It is our most fervent hope that we can move forward secure in the knowledge that we have reached an extraordinarily high level of excellence and will continue to lead business education in the years ahead.  We will project this image into the world, defining our brand by the true quality of our community.


Patrick T. Harker


Dean


The Wharton School


The University of Pennsylvania

沙发
发表于 2004-4-7 18:57:00 | 只看该作者

我觉得商学院也是越来越垄断了, 这证明HBS 和wharton 有恃无恐. hbs wharton学生招的很多,而且都是最好的生员,因才其收入,捐赠,招聘等等机会都比其他学校强。许多年以后也许几个学校会垄断mba教育,导致学费急增,而服务可能质量下降。 商学院就像一个business, 走向垄断获取高额利润是其最终目的。

我认为gmac或其他政府部门应该限定商学院的规模,比如每年入学的学生在600人以下。 这样有些好的学生就要进入其他的top schools, 只有这样才能保住competition. 保证申请人的利益.

板凳
发表于 2004-4-7 19:27:00 | 只看该作者

us news惹得祸? 呵呵

地板
发表于 2004-4-8 00:35:00 | 只看该作者

See this response from Businessweek:

Concerning BW's B-School Survey
Harvard and Wharton won't provide access to students for our 2004 report, but more than 100 other schools continue to cooperate

You may have heard that Harvard Business School and the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School have decided not to assist BusinessWeek in contacting students for our 2004 MBA ranking, to be published in an issue this fall. Rest assured, the BusinessWeek B-schools team will conduct our survey -- including the student survey -- and produce our biennial ranking, using reporting where necessary. Already, virtually all the other schools -- more than 100 -- are cooperating.  

Since 1988, our ranking has measured customer satisfaction among current-year MBA students/graduates and the recruiters who hire them. It's the only ranking in which students play a significant role. We ask them to analyze the quality of their school's education and curriculum, professors and teaching, career guidance, and more.

BusinessWeek has worked closely with the schools, which have provided a myriad of information about their programs. In all previous years, schools have passed along student e-mail addresses, and in turn, BusinessWeek sends private passwords to each student and a link to our online survey. We have always promised confidentiality and privacy -- and we have kept that promise, never sharing student information with third parties and never using the information for any purpose other than the survey.

On Apr. 6, Harvard and Wharton did inform BusinessWeek that they would not be providing access to the Class of 2004, citing privacy concerns and policies against providing e-mail information to commercial enterprises, among other reasons. Harvard was ranked No. 3 on our list in 2002 and 2000 overall (and No. 14 and No. 4 in student satisfaction in 2002 and 2000, respectively). The University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School ranked No. 5 on our list in 2002 and No. 1 in 2000 (and No. 12 and No. 3 in student satisfaction in 2002 and 2000, respectively).

Says Wharton Dean Patrick Harker in a letter to students, alums, faculty, and staff: "We believe the external rankings fall far short of supplying the type of objective comparative material from which prospective students or recruiters can make the most informed choices." He adds that "the plethora of rankings yields little useful data for the schools in shaping their strategic agenda."

That may be the position of a few schools, but we believe prospective MBAs, current students, and alumni have a strong need for the independent information gleaned from our surveys -- including crucial details about the student experience from those who have just completed the degree. Imagine the schools' line of reasoning applied to the corporate world. It would essentially preclude independent analysts, the media, and other outside parties from assessing the performance of corporations.

Just as investors today are clamoring for more transparency on the part of companies, so should students expect a similar degree of openness and cooperation from the very schools that nurture new business leaders. It's particularly troubling that the information filter comes from institutions whose key precepts include the free flow of information and ideas.

BusinessWeek believes that the rich and detailed data gathered by our surveys helps prospective students decide which MBA programs are right for them. With the cost of an MBA program reaching more than $30,000 per year in tuition alone -- plus lost wages -- the decision about which program to attend has become increasingly complex.

That's why we have built up our coverage of business schools and management education over the last decade through regular stories and analysis in the magazine and online; through chats and forums for prospective students, current MBAs, and alums; and through BusinessWeek's Guide to the Best Business Schools, a book that profiles the curriculum, character, and experience at our Top 50 schools and Top 10 international schools. The first-hand perspective provided by the MBA student surveys and MBA recruiter surveys are two other important tools we'll continue to offer you.

If you're a member of the full-time MBA Class of 2004 at Wharton or Harvard and would like to contact BusinessWeek about participating in the 2004 student survey, please write to us at MBA2004@businessweek.com.

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发表于 2004-4-9 03:56:00 | 只看该作者

yeah, it is all because of that new USNews. a lot of Biz schools got angry and so do law schools.

I won't be surprised that USNEWS will redo their formula soon

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