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楼主
发表于 2008-1-20 03:31:00 | 只看该作者

401K讨论

去年在美国找到了工作,1月底将发年底奖金。听说奖金的税达50%。 公司允许将奖金放入401K中(最多只能放USD15,000)。但是听说一旦放进去,在没退休之前都不能拿出来,如果要拿出来,就要交罚金。不知要交多少? 有谁知道这个罚金的政策?

由于不知道自己会不会在美国待到退休,还有万一要买房子,也需要钱,但是如果不放进去,奖金的一半就没有了。左右为难,所以在这里想向过来人请教。
沙发
发表于 2008-1-20 07:23:00 | 只看该作者

Remember that tax in US is marginal.  For example, if the tax is 10% for first $10,000, the tax could be 40% for the first $10,000 over $100,000.  If you don't put your money away, you end up paying much more tax up front.  Therefore people use all sorts of strategy to pay less up-front tax: putting money into 401K / IRA / Health Saving Plan, allocating about 30% of household income on mortgage, donation to charity, etc.   My employer contributes $12,000 to my 401K plan (no matching is needed) but I still contribute $15,500 of my own money to 401K.  The return of my 401K from last year is 16%.  If you use after-tax money to invest, you need to get 26% gain for the same return.  The benefits of 401K are obvious.  However, if you do not have a safety net of savings, you may want to build up your emergency fund first.

板凳
 楼主| 发表于 2008-1-20 08:45:00 | 只看该作者

thanks! 如果要在退休之前拿出来,就要交罚金。不知要交多少? 有谁知道这个罚金的政策?

2. 还有一个问题,我现在是OPT, OPT期间什么tax可以免的? 退tax时要不要找一个tax consultant 比较好一点?

地板
发表于 2008-1-20 13:00:00 | 只看该作者

You better consult with the administrator of your 401K plan for thewithdrawal policy.  Simply give them a call.

If you are P.R.China citizen, I think you will enjoy some tax benefits from the tax treaty between U.S. and PRC.  For example, you do not need to pay social security and/or Medicare.  You better talk with your Human Resource department about that.  Probably you do not need to talk with a tax consultant if your HR department has handled such cases before.

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发表于 2008-1-22 11:12:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用YellowJacket在2008-1-20 13:00:00的发言:

You better consult with the administrator of your 401K plan for thewithdrawal policy.  Simply give them a call.

If you are P.R.China citizen, I think you will enjoy some tax benefits from the tax treaty between U.S. and PRC.  For example, you do not need to pay social security and/or Medicare.  You better talk with your Human Resource department about that.  Probably you do not need to talk with a tax consultant if your HR department has handled such cases before.

From what I heard and many companys' practice, if you are an H1B visa holder, once your H1B becomes effective (Oct 1st), you need to pay social security tax and medicare tax. That doesn't have anything to do with you are a citizen of China or not. Only people who haven't got their H1B and still using their OPT don't need to pay these taxes.
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发表于 2008-1-22 11:18:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用uglycygnet在2008-1-20 3:31:00的发言:
去年在美国找到了工作,1月底将发年底奖金。听说奖金的税达50%。 公司允许将奖金放入401K中(最多只能放USD15,000)。但是听说一旦放进去,在没退休之前都不能拿出来,如果要拿出来,就要交罚金。不知要交多少? 有谁知道这个罚金的政策?

由于不知道自己会不会在美国待到退休,还有万一要买房子,也需要钱,但是如果不放进去,奖金的一半就没有了。左右为难,所以在这里想向过来人请教。

If you want to draw your 401K due to reasons such as emergency or health problems (say you get sick and need cash for treatment), there is no penalty fee. If you want to buy a real estate property, you can apply for a 401K loan and it even has some benefits in interest rate and payment type. My boss told me he used to buy a house (he relocated to several cities so often bought and sold houses) using 401K loan.
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-1-23 09:28:00 | 只看该作者
I called Fidelity today. They told me that if I apply for 401K loan to buy a house, i need to repay the loan within 10 years and the interest rate is 8.735%, i pay the principal and interest back to myself in the 401K. If i want to take it out due to hardship, I need to pay 10% penanalty plus income tax. Today I decided to put $15,500 into 401K, and invest majority of my money into emerging market, plan to change the fund at the end of this year, then put more money into fixed income at the beginning of next year.
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发表于 2008-1-23 13:22:00 | 只看该作者
I agree with delphine about the tax issue. I consulted the tax officer on campus about NRA tax issues. She mentioned that as soon as you changed status from opt to h1-b, you will not be recognized as NRA anymore. Therefore, social and medicare apply to H1-b holders.
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