Chinese people drag Ivey down?

dinosaure

以下是引用vagabond在2005-3-19 6:09:00的发言：

Dear BraveMBA: To be honest, you need to do you utmost to sharpen your English-writing skills. Hope it will not represent the average capability of all Chinese students at Ivey.

To be honest,I don't understand what  your post tries to illustrate.I have read many BraveMBA's posts,he always tries to provide useful information or opinions to the community.If you have any different standpoint,I believe the disscussion will be welcome. Doing some constructive criticism is better than just wirting some stupid words.

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dinosaure

By the way,improving your writting skill first is strongly advised!

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197308070604060

Strongly support Bravemba. Everybody could express your personal opinion. Attacking others means nothing.

juliaPL

如果Ivey真的是因为多收了中国学生而排名下降，我觉得我们应该为这样的学校鼓掌，大多数在Ivey就读的都是来自中国的移民，移民本身就是富有拼搏精神的群体，能够被Ivey录取又是其中的精英，虽然无论是加拿大持久低迷的就业市场，或者中国目前重新洗牌的海龟就业市场，暂时可能无法吸纳他们，在学校的调查里没有最终他们的就业纪录。但是或许除了语言能力对于他们还是弱项之外，我不认为他们最终会使Ivey的排名下降。假使某学校暗中通过排华而保持名次，难道是我们这些申请者的福音或者愿意听到的吗？我相信Ivey的中国学生，不仅仅因为我是中国人，同时因为我参加过这所学校的Class Visit， 我见过他们中的一些人，我对他们有信心。

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vagabond

I didn't want to go too negative to BraveMBA in the first place. So, I just gave him a subtle reminder. I think my reminder will do no harm to his future career as well as his Ivey MBA study, perhaps helping push him to sharpen his competitiveness in the NA job market.

Since the thread subject is "Chinese people drag Ivey down", too many grammatical errors made by an Ivey student, in fact, greatly substantiate applicants' concern raised by the author of this thread. From this angle, I’m hinting that BraveMBA’s argument has actually consolidated the author’s concern. That’s the exact point expressed in my prior posting.

I didn't count how many errors BraveMBA has made in one of his postings, maybe scores of or so. And most importantly, his argument lacks articulation and eloquence. If I had been an ETS teacher, I might have rated his argument a 2 or something. If BraveMBA had been a GMAT candidate, I wouldn't have said to him like that. But between his lines he seems very confident that he has not any problem communicating with others using English, especially in the NA job market, but I deeply doubt it. At least it was very uncomfortable for me to read his postings.

In general, talented students with great English postings here, especially under this thread, can attract more talented applicants to follow suit and apply to Ivey. Yet, my gut feeling tells me the opposite, at least from BraveMBA's posting in this thread.   

>>To be honest,I don't understand what  your post try to illustrate.I have read many BraveMBA's post,he always tries to provide useful information or opinions to the community.If you have any different standpoint,I believe the disscussion will be welcome. Doing some constructive criticism is better than just wirting some stupid words. <<

Oh, by the way, in this short post, you have made several errors. So, apply your own words to your own case: "By the way,improving your writing skill first is strongly advised!"

My 2 cents: Open-mindedness is the first step to success.

dinosaure

vagabond,you seem only want to express a very simple concept .Everybody knows how important the English ability is for searching a job in NA.So, take it easy.

Firstly,every MBA applicant has invested a lot of energy in considering every school's reputation before he made the decision.Do you think the grammatical errors in an article will change an applicant's choice?It's ridiculous.Actually,I found the native-speakers in my company,with good education, sometime made more grammatical mistakes in their articles than us.If you want to pay more attention on this point,even a local beggar's speaking ability is better than you.

Secondly,In fact,the Ivey MBA candidates' english abilities are not weaker than the students in other programs.Actually,lots of them got very high GMAT scores and  the several offers from different top business schools,but they chose Ivey.The real reason is that because of the case study,they are requested higher abilities in English.

Thirdly,I am living in Canada now.I talked to more than 20  local people with different backgrounds,all of them said that Ivey is one of  the best business school in Canada.Everybody respects the school.The ivey is pround of its reputation too.At the same time,Ivey also respects other top business school,such as Rotman,queen's.I believe it is the right attitude,we can learn something from the attitude.

Finally,I feel your article is very impolite.You have no right to laugh at other persons' abilities in public,moreover,it is unreasonable.Maybe I misunderstand you,anyway,I do not like the style.

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vagabond

Don't know your stats, but to be honest, there're also too many errors in the above posting. Hope you can correct as many as possible before matriculation, at least before commencement.

dinosaure

I discovered a english expert here.Maybe a chinese-english expert

anyway,I do not want to post any more criticism here,because I respect the reputation of the Ivey.It is really bad to put the ridiculous disccusion in a post named "Ivey"

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vagabond

Sorry, I'm not "a english expert". Just be careful. I firmly believe that more than 30 errors in one piece of posting will undoubtedly lead you to failure in any NA job market. Hope you're not a current Ivey student.

197308070604060

没意思。

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